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Picked up this at the weekend at waterstones - quite funny if you like that velominati style but tbh you'd get the same sort of content just reading their website. Lot of Belgians on the list, as one would expect - Eddy Merckx and Sean Kelly get two entries. Didn't know Beryl Burton worked full time on a rhubarb farm.

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It would be nice to return to the days when riders would race all year round and do classics and GTs, but I suppose the racing is different now and it takes so much more to challenge in each discipline. I hope Hinault was #1 hardman in that book, with a high placing for Gino Bartali for the courage he showed off the bike.
 

It would be nice to return to the days when riders would race all year round and do classics and GTs, but I suppose the racing is different now and it takes so much more to challenge in each discipline. I hope Hinault was #1 hardman in that book, with a high placing for Gino Bartali for the courage he showed off the bike.
It only really covers modern cycling, 60s onwards - the pioneers of rule #5 are not discussed. There is no ranking of hardmen amongst the legends discussed, but there's a weighting towards those like Kelly who were not prodigiously gifted, but won just on relentless grit and determination. So no discussion of Cancellera or Boonen, for example - whilst obviously extremely hard they also won the genetic lottery. Was Hinault in that former category? His Roubaix win was all time hard (plus dismissing it as bullshit is legendary when you've just won the race).
 
It only really covers modern cycling, 60s onwards - the pioneers of rule #5 are not discussed. There is no ranking of hardmen amongst the legends discussed, but there's a weighting towards those like Kelly who were not prodigiously gifted, but won just on relentless grit and determination. So no discussion of Cancellera or Boonen, for example - whilst obviously extremely hard they also won the genetic lottery. Was Hinault in that former category? His Roubaix win was all time hard (plus dismissing it as bullshit is legendary when you've just won the race).

His Liege win was what immediately sprung to mind. When like 15 people finished.
 
A deep subject Armel - thks for the post. Merckx was clearly a uniting figure - and is a Baron, in fact.

For cycling, though, surely the Flemish or Walloon identity is very explicit (I see how it isn't a big deal for footballers etc) The Flandrian hardman image is unequivocally connected with the classics more than any other group of people, cyclocross is absolutely Flemish - couldn't name a top level Walloon crosser tbh. I'm not talking about Flemish nationalism or anything like that, but everyone knows Flanders is the Mesopotamia of bike racing.

Ah like that. The term flandrien; was originally a bit of a pejorative term used by the French speaking newspapers to describe the Flemish cyclists that constantly battered all the other riders on the velodrome in Brussels. It implied half savages riding around in the capital on the velodrome. Later evolved to a cyclist that continuously attacks and keeps riding until he's completely knackered when reaching the finish line. All while riding the Flemish classics and fighting the cobbles. You also need to display perseverance and have to be strong willed; show resistance to pain etc... Add in there a bit of rain, enjoying wind, cobbles, enjoy adverse weather conditions (preferably apocalyptic weather)... And preferably you have to be Flemish but it doesn't take a lot to get adopted really, like Gilbert, VDB etc... The attacking part is very important though, and you have to be an instinctive rider (like Gilbert when he won the Tour of Flanders, not a lot of thinking or calculating and all that). Tbf riding races in Flanders kind of instils all that in you, for all sorts of reasons (not the best of weather, lots of wind, narrow substandard roads- meaning you will suffer punctures etc...). If you're used to riding on perfect roads around Malaga in perfect weather conditions you don't really need an aggressive riding style/you're less likely to acquire affinity with echelons...

Yes and winning something like the Tour of Flanders of course results in immortality in Flanders; I suppose that is a bit less in the other part of the country. Oh and in Flanders; the week leading up to the Tour of Flanders is the holy week; they don't have that same level of devotion. There's also less of a run-up; over here you now already have all the build-up to the Omloop on 02/03 etc...

A flandrien: see Vanderaerden in 1985: horrible weather, has lots of adversity on the Koppenberg wins.



Walloon cycling (as in forming actual riders) is pretty much dead/has always been quite small in comparison to the Flemish counterpart. Unless you take into account lesser riders like Monfort etc... You should check out all of the selections of the previous national teams etc. Almost no Walloon in sight. Apart from Gilbert. I'm struggling to think of a Walloon rider in track/mtb/cx (there was a Walloon CX rider that constantly rode top ten places but then he ended up having an accident and died) etc. Both for men and women. So you basically have tons of Walloons supporting Flemish riders at WC's etc... Sport has always been the main uniting factor.

The last great Walloon one, apart from Gilbert was VDB (love him), but if you want you can argue, since he lived in Ploegsteert (Henegouwen; Ploegsteert is a village with language facilities since it was originally Flemish and he spoke both languages perfectly). VDB had a bigger following in Flanders than in Wallonia; in fairness a bit deluded also because every comeback they genuinely believed he would be back. When he died you had a special news-report twenty minutes long and 2 weeks of all sorts of VDB related documentaries on television. Now his daughter has taken up racing and the girl is already under immense spotlights. Some absolute idiot thought btw that it was a good idea to release a film about the last moments in VDB's life. Cretin, the family didn't allow it but he got round that by using fake names etc... And before that Criqueilion. Very few Walloons in Belgian cycling history. Almost all of the team-leaders in the association and the teams are Flemish. And if you have exceptions, like Rik Verbrughe, they live in Flanders and they speak perfect Flemish. If they want to improve they go ride for one of the Flemish teams/a French team.

Another side-note. Walloon is a different language from French. Not a lot of people speak it any more - it got pressed away by French. It's quite different. A Walloon identity is a bit lacking btw, it's not as strongly developed as the Flemish one.

They still provide good support though and they do cover cyclocross (because Belgians win - well at least we used to before VDP; and he also lives in Belgium like Dumoulin and a large part of all the good Dutch riders) etc..., but they have no emerging riders. I blame lacking policy. It's the same in every sport (a bit less in football; but also in swimming etc), how they managed to produce Thiam is beyond me. Same with Henin (I prefer her over Clijsters all day long); all the good Walloon sportsmen have come through sheer luck. I mean Thiam can't even train decently in the winter since they don't have adequate indoor facilities (she can't move to the north of the country since she's still studying geography at university and has to go to all her classes) and she still smashes everyone.
 
Who've you got tomorrow @Armel? vDP overwhelming favourite and I doubt anyone can touch him - WvA has the mental edge but it's not enough to bridge such a big gap in condition. Plus from the brief stuff I saw today the course didn't look like an absolute leveller, looked right up vDP's street if anything. WvA clearly peaking v late for the classics, so perhaps he can give him a race. I didn't see the women's race today (was racing the last one of our own season here) but glad to see that Cant won, she's a tough rider in general and pulling that out after a mixed season shows her character.

Tom Pidcock showed Eli who is in charge in the U23s - the podium of the senior UK national champs was all U23 riders, so there's some proper talent there for probably the first time ever. Evie Richards is injured, unfortunately, so cannot defend the women's U23 title tomorrow. There's a very good British junior called Hattie Harnden who was fourth last year at 16 years old in the U23s, so might contest the podium this time out.
 

Mathieu. He should always win, even though the top favourite seldom wins the WC (look at Nys, he was the strongest for years, and managed to find different ways to lose for years), but he's that much stronger so ....

Wout is horrible this year, he admitted as much in his weekly column. Not once this year he was able to inflict pain on his rival. He even admitted to be mentally "half as good" as normally (in part because of his team issues and the court case that potentially leaves him open to a very large monetary compensation and he was worried that he wouldn't be able to ride the classics because of that - only received assurance around December the 18th). He's not even enjoying himself and said he'll be happy when he has ridden the last race of the season.

I don't think he's going to be able to keep combining the two disciplines. He's 8 kg's heavier than in his best years, too heavy for a CX racer, he used to be the best runner not any more etc... Even his trainer says that sooner or later he'll have to choose and he doesn't believe in a win. Mathieu is lucky that his body remains somewhat the same.

Maybe Aerts will make a strong appearance, on the condition that the track is heavy so hopefully for him the weather cooperates. He easily dealt with Wout in the national championships.


If Belgians did what the Dutch women have just done, they would have been destroyed by the press (see Nys etc...). Luckily they are Dutch so they don't mind too much. Cant was very strong, but 4 against 1 you shouldn't lose that - even though CX is largely an individual sport. Worst going after Betsema etc... Mind you she did ride a tactically perfect race, so congratulations to her (always in the right wheel, keeping your wits about you etc...).

The women's U23 title is also one that you could probably write down now. Ceylin del Carmen Alvarado (love the name).

Yes hopefully the good British U23 riders stay in the sport.

Is kind of difficult to be a CX commentator at this point in time; seeing that vDP always decides to start the race early so they spend huge chunks of time solely commenting him riding in front for more than 20 times a year. I feel that at this point I've heard every anecdote there is to know about him, I even know his favourite colour, and you can hardly blame them because well what are you supposed to talk about. In the beginning you might have said, well maybe he'll have a breakdown or something and the other ones can take him in. Now everybody knows that's an illusion.
 
Good to see MvdP show his class there, anything goes in the WC but would have been sort of ridiculous for him not to have won this year. Impressive from WvA though - didn't have the condition but still rode himself into the ground to respect the colours. Toon Aerts had him for second place but what a critical error in the closing stages.

Watched a replay of the U23s from yesterday - commentators said Pidcock was on griffos early on and was a bit hesitant with the intermediate grip. Bike change onto the limus and blitzed the field.
 
Now that it's all done and dusted.

Overly deserved winner.

Inadequate parcours. It was way too easy for a WC. Only one exciting part; fairly boring for the rest; a bit like a F1 race and because of the high speed of the riders the track was too short. Least interesting one of the last few years.

While we're at it; vDP said that he isn't in awe about what Sagan can do on a bike; he says most CX riders have similar technical skills.
 
Now that it's all done and dusted.

Overly deserved winner.

Inadequate parcours. It was way too easy for a WC. Only one exciting part; fairly boring for the rest; a bit like a F1 race and because of the high speed of the riders the track was too short. Least interesting one of the last few years.

While we're at it; vDP said that he isn't in awe about what Sagan can do on a bike; he says most CX riders have similar technical skills.
Most of them can't solo Roubaix from 50k out, though, so we shall see what MvdP is made of in that arena later this year.

The course was a bit smooth and unBelgian, although last year's was an absolute beast so it is good to have some variety. vdP said it was hard to get speed on it which seemed a bit odd, he appeared to be flying - maybe the ground was quite heavy despite the lack of deep mud.

I know much is made of vdP's lineage and how he's the perfect genetic cyclist, but by God he looks good on a bike. He's like the anti-Froome - just the way he pedals just looks fast and purposeful.
 
Most of them can't solo Roubaix from 50k out, though, so we shall see what MvdP is made of in that arena later this year.

The course was a bit smooth and unBelgian, although last year's was an absolute beast so it is good to have some variety. vdP said it was hard to get speed on it which seemed a bit odd, he appeared to be flying - maybe the ground was quite heavy despite the lack of deep mud.

I know much is made of vdP's lineage and how he's the perfect genetic cyclist, but by God he looks good on a bike. He's like the anti-Froome - just the way he pedals just looks fast and purposeful.

Yes, he isn't doing Paris-Roubaix this year though. Although he will continue until the Amstel (not a real classic, people keep saying that but it isn't; it was only organised for the first time in 1966 ffs and only the last 25 km's are usually exciting; in essence it's riding in circles around Maastricht).

Will be interesting to see what he can do. Most road races he won so far came as a result of his very good sprint (he's able to beat the likes of Bouhanni and Van Poppel; I wouldn't want to go to the finish with him.

Still maintain that the course was unsatisfactory; it doesn't have to be a mud course every year, but this was by far the least interesting one in the last years. Yes last year in Valkenburg was boss. I want to see another Czech course in the coming years, always like them. Fayetteville (Arkansas) in the not to distant future, will be interesting to see how that turns out.

One of the things that puts me off Froome. In other news Pozzato is going to train young riders, his rationale is that he didn't make most of his career because of his behaviour. Always an interesting way of thinking that.
 

Number of cyclists/nation in the WT. 256 Europeans on a total of 482. Bit disappointed in Spain only thirty left, before Puerto they had 61.

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