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Cup Winners Cup to return from 21/22 season

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I really do think what a trophy looks like can make or break a competition in terms of interest. If it's crappy little thing or proper ugly I doubt anyone with bother.

The Uefa Cup/EL trophy has always been lovely, the Champions League trophy is and always has been iconic. They better make this one one large and nice looking too.
 

Tell you what, it'd be a brilliant chance for silverwear for us, but by the time it comes in we'll be finishing 6th every bloody season no doubt.
 
I don't understand the need for the trophy though, like wtf are they doing? Who's going to give a crap about it? Why would you scrap a cup winner's cup and put this in instead?

They should have a European league cup for all the league champions, plus second placed teams from a few of the big leagues. A second tier European league for all 2nd placed teams in the minor leagues and 3rd placed teams in the major leagues. Then a cup winner's cup for all of Europes Cup winners /runners up based on circumstances. And no teams dropping down from one trophy to the next.

It's so boring having the same collection of teams playing each other every year. A Juve v Madrid isn't that special because they play eachother nearly every year. You want these games to be something like five years in the making.
 
I can understand the smaller countries wanting to be more involved, but why on earth would any PL club want to be in this new competition? So you get to compete in a second-class European cup on Thursdays, and your reward for winning is... competing in another second-class European cup on Thursdays. I can see plenty of teams with nothing else to 'play for' sliding out of contention at the end of the PL season.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the ties in Europe more than most, and if we are in the Europa League then I'm happy for us to compete despite the effect on the PL. But this competition really does seem like it is the scrapings at the bottom of the barrel.
 

I can understand the smaller countries wanting to be more involved, but why on earth would any PL club want to be in this new competition? So you get to compete in a second-class European cup on Thursdays, and your reward for winning is... competing in another second-class European cup on Thursdays. I can see plenty of teams with nothing else to 'play for' sliding out of contention at the end of the PL season.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the ties in Europe more than most, and if we are in the Europa League then I'm happy for us to compete despite the effect on the PL. But this competition really does seem like it is the scrapings at the bottom of the barrel.

Tbh I was hoping that they would take some of the teams who would normally be in the Europa league and move them into this new competition, to remove some of the qualifying and therefore making the Europa league a better competition for PL teams to be in. I don't think thats what uefa are doing though, which I think is a shame.
 
The Europa or indeed this new Europa2 will still have all the problems associated with the Europa now...

An interminably long and over bloated season wrecking poisoned chalice for any club without the resources to cope

Not good for clubs like Burnley or West Ham or Southampton or Koeman last season

Its a curse on clubs not equipped to cope

No way is it good that now this is extended to Europa 2 with perhaps us having all the disadvantages of the Europa with even the minimal advantages now eliminated in a third rate competition.

There is nothing good about a second or third rate overlong bloated season ruining slogfest except long travel to Eastern Europe and the hated Thursday night football followed by no preparation for Sundays ambush.
 
We know Eddie Howe is a fine manager but, in continuing to lead Bournemouth from the danger zone, he has proved cannier than imagined.

“Danger?” you shriek.

“Bournemouth were challenging the top six a few weeks ago and they have now lost four in a row.”

Correct, and thanks to a terrible run the chance of staying up there and finishing in a Europa League qualifying position is receding. This should give Howe and his followers a peaceful Christmas as they focus on the new-year ambition of winning as many points as possible this season without ruining the start of the next by qualifying for Europe.

Never mind the bottom three, finishing seventh in the Premier League is proving one the greatest threats to managerial security. It is the devil’s position for mid-table clubs on the up – high enough to encourage deluded supporters they should think even bigger next season while causing maximum vulnerability.

Those Champions League clubs who win the domestic cups to create an extra European place for the Premier League are a menace to those below. While Arsenal, Manchester United and Liverpool have recently begrudgingly found consolation in being in Uefa’s second-tier competition – the top six being accustomed to dealing with the fixtures – those readjusting pay a price. The Europa League qualifying rounds, especially, are saboteurs, wrecking summer breaks and coaching reputations.

Burnley are the latest to suffer. Sean Dyche undermined his impeccable work at Turf Moor by stupidly creating history and leading his club into those pesky European qualifiers, which for Burnley kicked off on July 26.

For a squad lacking the depth to deal with domestic and Uefa commitments, the repercussions could be dire. Burnley remain in the bottom three after their latest poor performance, losing at Crystal Palace. If they do not get out of trouble, never will the phrase “victims of their own success” be so appropriate.

While everyone else in the Premier League was fine-tuning squads and fitness ahead of the season, Burnley were heading to Athens, Istanbul, and – most exotic of all – Aberdeen.

By Sept 2, Dyche’s men had played 10 competitive fixtures. They played only 41 in nine months last season.

The only consolation is that it could have been worse. Imagine how few points they would have had they made the group stage. They lost to Olympiakos in their final qualifier, but the damage was done and they still look like they are getting their breath back.

Burnley are not the first case of Europa League incapacitation.

Ronald Koeman paid the ultimate price for reachin the Europa League when he was sacked as manager at Everton
Ronald Koeman paid the ultimate price for reaching the Europa League when he was sacked as manager at Everton

Ronald Koeman finished seventh in his first season with Everton in 2017. Little did he know that by winning the Europa League and League Cup while finishing sixth, Jose Mourinho was ending Koeman’s Goodison career by giving him the extra Uefa spot.

After starting the season on July 27, Koeman made the cataclysmic misjudgment of actually winning his Europa League qualifiers and was sacked after just two Premier League wins in nine games.

When Slaven Bilic comes to write his memoirs, after the chapter slaughtering the club’s owners for moving to the London Stadium from Upton Park, he will surely trace his decline at West Ham to May, 2016 when he, too, finished seventh. The next season began on July 28 and West Ham won one Premier League game in their first two months.

It has always been thus for those with least European experience.
 
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