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One other element that exists now is that these sorts of things are shared widely within online communities which creates a sort of self-perpetuating buzz that convinces more people to jump on board. I remember feeling something similar when 'investing' in a few Kickstarter campaigns some years ago. The comments sections would become all these mad fanboys desperately convincing each other to plough more cash in so more rewards get unlocked, and over the month or so you could find yourself starting to justify all these little extras to your initial pledge. Suddenly you're locked in for like £300 for something you won't get for 2 years.

So when something like this comes along and you've got these pre-primed communities full of gullible people desperate to make a "bitcoin billion" and who exist within closed off echo chambers like Telegram or whatever, it's a recipe for disaster. Someone notable comes along, gets them pumped to invest in something totally worthless and then they all tell each other what a great opportunity it is, because the more people on board the better it is for them (or at least if they're in early enough).

How much is she supposed to have made off them, anyway?
Isn't it basically 'boiler room' tactics? Hype a stock, sell it on duff promises, dump the principal leaving the suckers* with worthless purchases?
 
Isn't it basically 'boiler room' tactics? Hype a stock, sell it on duff promises, dump the principal leaving the suckers* with worthless purchases?

Yes it is, but with the added benefit that the rubes egg themselves on in their little online bubbles, doing most of the work for you... as long as you can find the right groups to target. I think this girl came out before the election as pro-MAGA so of course a whole bunch of known gullible morons decided that she was great and worth listening to.

I can't really even blame her given the state of things, she had her 15 minutes of viral fame based on a random interaction and found/was advised a way to monetise it so effectively that she may never have to work again. Money is a remarkable insulator when a nation creaks at the seams. Is what she did illegal? I have no real understanding of investments, especially when it comes to all this online blockchain crap.
 
One other element that exists now is that these sorts of things are shared widely within online communities which creates a sort of self-perpetuating buzz that convinces more people to jump on board. I remember feeling something similar when 'investing' in a few Kickstarter campaigns some years ago. The comments sections would become all these mad fanboys desperately convincing each other to plough more cash in so more rewards get unlocked, and over the month or so you could find yourself starting to justify all these little extras to your initial pledge. Suddenly you're locked in for like £300 for something you won't get for 2 years.

So when something like this comes along and you've got these pre-primed communities full of gullible people desperate to make a "bitcoin billion" and who exist within closed off echo chambers like Telegram or whatever, it's a recipe for disaster. Someone notable comes along, gets them pumped to invest in something totally worthless and then they all tell each other what a great opportunity it is, because the more people on board the better it is for them (or at least if they're in early enough).

How much is she supposed to have made off them, anyway?

Yer the echo chamber these people live in makes it all the more bamboozling for normal people thinking about getting involved with funds they can’t really afford lose.

From what I can tell nobodies really sure what she’s actually earned off it. I think typically people like her get approached by people who know the industry, get her to sign up and pay her a flat fee to sell it to her fans. She might get a percentage of the coins. The guy behind it is the one pulling the strings; he’s the one mostly engaging with Coffeezilla probably cos she hasn’t got a clue what’s going on
 
Loving the fact 3 times elected Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, has been awarded a knighthood.

I’m going to spend the whole of next week searching for his name on social media and correcting the Gammonati whenever they don’t call him Sir Sadiq Khan.

Hours of meltdown fun.

More on this, a young London Tory Councillor trying to make a name for himself has launch a change.org petition trying to "Stop the Knighthood". Absolute berk, I'm sure he'll be up for the mayoral candidacy at some point.

https://www.change.org/p/stop-the-knighthood-of-sadiq-khan

Anyway, the comments are fantastic, as you'd expect (and you don't even need to trawl Twitter for them). No idea how many of these are trolls, how many might be underemployed Moscow-based English teachers needing to earn some extra roubles, and how many are just simple home-grown British racists; but here are a few highlights so you don't even have to give the petition any traffic:

Karen Barker
London is unrecognisable since Khan became mayor. It is in decline. The ULEZ has to go and so does he!

Michele Clay
Sadiq khan is the one individual who does NOT deserve a knighthood. He has destroyed London,crime is out of control under Sadiq khan. His ulez scheme is making peoples lives so hard financially. And his arrogance and disloyalty to British people is repulsive. If anything he should be investigated for corruption of the billions he's been given to improve the lives of Londoners and squandered the money on net zero schemes which are flawed. Give the knighthood to someone who actually deserves it and who loves Great Britain and the British people.

Beth Singer
Knighthood should be for people who respect and want to contribute to British culture. He wants to make England Muslim. There are too many Muslim countries already, and they stink.

Valerie Love
I'm signing because sad iq has destroyed the greatest capital city in the world 🤬 reducing London to a violent hell hole! He needs jailing not rewarding - he would destroy the title! Leaving it dirty & meaningless

Lucinda Chalgrove
It is not appropriate for Sadiq Khan to receive a Knighthood as he has made Our Capital City into a dangerous and untenable place to live or visit . There should be a one term policy for any Mayor. There are many people who should be chosen for a knighthood above him . He dose not have our Country’s best interest at heart .

Faye Kellett
Hearing rumours of cover ups and corruption, tut tut, it would be scandalous! He does not and never will represent our capital London. He doesn't represent the British people and nor does this non fit for purpose government. Goes to show the level of contempt, and tyrannical times we are living in, if this has seriously been put forward. The UK is a laughing stock and the circus and clown are doing all they can to ruin us and our once great country.

Michael Ormerod
He is nothing but a Traitor to Britain. He needs removing from office as his policy is for an Islamic State.

Laura McDermott
This man has destroyed London and hates British people. The last thing he deserves is a knighthood.

Emma Williams
He has not acted in British londoners best interests, he is making london a no go area. Crime is up, knife attacks are up. Why is he ruining london? Do not give him an award for doing an incredible bad job.

David Skipper
Under Kahn's time London has become unrecognisable, Dangerous and divisive. He of course will play the race card when questioned about the criticism. Yet, arguably, the only race issue is how he got the position in the first place.

Natasha Crist
He needs deporting not a knighthood. What he has done to businesses with his ULEZ scheme is despicable

Francesca Playdon
He does not speak for the english people. He speaks against us and insults us with derogatory statements. This is not a position for an obviously biased person, and he should not be rewarded for his racist rhetoric with an undeserved knighthood. It is an insult to every native English person. Shame on the royal family if they go long with it. Bunch of sellouts.

Diane Newman
khan has made London a no-go areawhich I would now not visit. it is without doubt one of the worst cities in the world and a complete disgrace.

Carol Gillespie
He is a wolf in sheep's clothing!His traitorship towards all things white and Christian, far outstrips the damage any war has caused.He is a repulsuve foreign parasite!

Anna Wolf
He is a destructive idiot following Globalist agendas which are neither known well nor consented to by the public.He operates in office for himself and not for London or its people.He is a disgrace.He is there to maximise his own pocket by carrying out orders from WEF WHO UN etc and has and is totally ignoring the people who have allowed him into office.

Tracey Mc keever
the joke of the century he is killing London one street at a time taken all our comunity spaces closed all our pubs and is distroying our Culture erasing are history HATES ALL CHRISTIANS


My favourite is this guy, who clearly has some pretty forthright opinions but fears the all-powerful change.org cancel culture police:

Simon Jeffery
can't say on here
 
More on this, a young London Tory Councillor trying to make a name for himself has launch a change.org petition trying to "Stop the Knighthood". Absolute berk, I'm sure he'll be up for the mayoral candidacy at some point.

https://www.change.org/p/stop-the-knighthood-of-sadiq-khan

Anyway, the comments are fantastic, as you'd expect (and you don't even need to trawl Twitter for them). No idea how many of these are trolls, how many might be underemployed Moscow-based English teachers needing to earn some extra roubles, and how many are just simple home-grown British racists; but here are a few highlights so you don't even have to give the petition any traffic:

Karen Barker
London is unrecognisable since Khan became mayor. It is in decline. The ULEZ has to go and so does he!

Michele Clay
Sadiq khan is the one individual who does NOT deserve a knighthood. He has destroyed London,crime is out of control under Sadiq khan. His ulez scheme is making peoples lives so hard financially. And his arrogance and disloyalty to British people is repulsive. If anything he should be investigated for corruption of the billions he's been given to improve the lives of Londoners and squandered the money on net zero schemes which are flawed. Give the knighthood to someone who actually deserves it and who loves Great Britain and the British people.

Beth Singer
Knighthood should be for people who respect and want to contribute to British culture. He wants to make England Muslim. There are too many Muslim countries already, and they stink.

Valerie Love
I'm signing because sad iq has destroyed the greatest capital city in the world 🤬 reducing London to a violent hell hole! He needs jailing not rewarding - he would destroy the title! Leaving it dirty & meaningless

Lucinda Chalgrove
It is not appropriate for Sadiq Khan to receive a Knighthood as he has made Our Capital City into a dangerous and untenable place to live or visit . There should be a one term policy for any Mayor. There are many people who should be chosen for a knighthood above him . He dose not have our Country’s best interest at heart .

Faye Kellett
Hearing rumours of cover ups and corruption, tut tut, it would be scandalous! He does not and never will represent our capital London. He doesn't represent the British people and nor does this non fit for purpose government. Goes to show the level of contempt, and tyrannical times we are living in, if this has seriously been put forward. The UK is a laughing stock and the circus and clown are doing all they can to ruin us and our once great country.

Michael Ormerod
He is nothing but a Traitor to Britain. He needs removing from office as his policy is for an Islamic State.

Laura McDermott
This man has destroyed London and hates British people. The last thing he deserves is a knighthood.

Emma Williams
He has not acted in British londoners best interests, he is making london a no go area. Crime is up, knife attacks are up. Why is he ruining london? Do not give him an award for doing an incredible bad job.

David Skipper
Under Kahn's time London has become unrecognisable, Dangerous and divisive. He of course will play the race card when questioned about the criticism. Yet, arguably, the only race issue is how he got the position in the first place.

Natasha Crist
He needs deporting not a knighthood. What he has done to businesses with his ULEZ scheme is despicable

Francesca Playdon
He does not speak for the english people. He speaks against us and insults us with derogatory statements. This is not a position for an obviously biased person, and he should not be rewarded for his racist rhetoric with an undeserved knighthood. It is an insult to every native English person. Shame on the royal family if they go long with it. Bunch of sellouts.

Diane Newman
khan has made London a no-go areawhich I would now not visit. it is without doubt one of the worst cities in the world and a complete disgrace.

Carol Gillespie
He is a wolf in sheep's clothing!His traitorship towards all things white and Christian, far outstrips the damage any war has caused.He is a repulsuve foreign parasite!

Anna Wolf
He is a destructive idiot following Globalist agendas which are neither known well nor consented to by the public.He operates in office for himself and not for London or its people.He is a disgrace.He is there to maximise his own pocket by carrying out orders from WEF WHO UN etc and has and is totally ignoring the people who have allowed him into office.

Tracey Mc keever
the joke of the century he is killing London one street at a time taken all our comunity spaces closed all our pubs and is distroying our Culture erasing are history HATES ALL CHRISTIANS


My favourite is this guy, who clearly has some pretty forthright opinions but fears the all-powerful change.org cancel culture police:

Simon Jeffery
can't say on here
Nice of Simon to restrain himself at the end there.
 
More on this, a young London Tory Councillor trying to make a name for himself has launch a change.org petition trying to "Stop the Knighthood". Absolute berk, I'm sure he'll be up for the mayoral candidacy at some point.

https://www.change.org/p/stop-the-knighthood-of-sadiq-khan

Anyway, the comments are fantastic, as you'd expect (and you don't even need to trawl Twitter for them). No idea how many of these are trolls, how many might be underemployed Moscow-based English teachers needing to earn some extra roubles, and how many are just simple home-grown British racists; but here are a few highlights so you don't even have to give the petition any traffic:

Karen Barker
London is unrecognisable since Khan became mayor. It is in decline. The ULEZ has to go and so does he!

Michele Clay
Sadiq khan is the one individual who does NOT deserve a knighthood. He has destroyed London,crime is out of control under Sadiq khan. His ulez scheme is making peoples lives so hard financially. And his arrogance and disloyalty to British people is repulsive. If anything he should be investigated for corruption of the billions he's been given to improve the lives of Londoners and squandered the money on net zero schemes which are flawed. Give the knighthood to someone who actually deserves it and who loves Great Britain and the British people.

Beth Singer
Knighthood should be for people who respect and want to contribute to British culture. He wants to make England Muslim. There are too many Muslim countries already, and they stink.

Valerie Love
I'm signing because sad iq has destroyed the greatest capital city in the world 🤬 reducing London to a violent hell hole! He needs jailing not rewarding - he would destroy the title! Leaving it dirty & meaningless

Lucinda Chalgrove
It is not appropriate for Sadiq Khan to receive a Knighthood as he has made Our Capital City into a dangerous and untenable place to live or visit . There should be a one term policy for any Mayor. There are many people who should be chosen for a knighthood above him . He dose not have our Country’s best interest at heart .

Faye Kellett
Hearing rumours of cover ups and corruption, tut tut, it would be scandalous! He does not and never will represent our capital London. He doesn't represent the British people and nor does this non fit for purpose government. Goes to show the level of contempt, and tyrannical times we are living in, if this has seriously been put forward. The UK is a laughing stock and the circus and clown are doing all they can to ruin us and our once great country.

Michael Ormerod
He is nothing but a Traitor to Britain. He needs removing from office as his policy is for an Islamic State.

Laura McDermott
This man has destroyed London and hates British people. The last thing he deserves is a knighthood.

Emma Williams
He has not acted in British londoners best interests, he is making london a no go area. Crime is up, knife attacks are up. Why is he ruining london? Do not give him an award for doing an incredible bad job.

David Skipper
Under Kahn's time London has become unrecognisable, Dangerous and divisive. He of course will play the race card when questioned about the criticism. Yet, arguably, the only race issue is how he got the position in the first place.

Natasha Crist
He needs deporting not a knighthood. What he has done to businesses with his ULEZ scheme is despicable

Francesca Playdon
He does not speak for the english people. He speaks against us and insults us with derogatory statements. This is not a position for an obviously biased person, and he should not be rewarded for his racist rhetoric with an undeserved knighthood. It is an insult to every native English person. Shame on the royal family if they go long with it. Bunch of sellouts.

Diane Newman
khan has made London a no-go areawhich I would now not visit. it is without doubt one of the worst cities in the world and a complete disgrace.

Carol Gillespie
He is a wolf in sheep's clothing!His traitorship towards all things white and Christian, far outstrips the damage any war has caused.He is a repulsuve foreign parasite!

Anna Wolf
He is a destructive idiot following Globalist agendas which are neither known well nor consented to by the public.He operates in office for himself and not for London or its people.He is a disgrace.He is there to maximise his own pocket by carrying out orders from WEF WHO UN etc and has and is totally ignoring the people who have allowed him into office.

Tracey Mc keever
the joke of the century he is killing London one street at a time taken all our comunity spaces closed all our pubs and is distroying our Culture erasing are history HATES ALL CHRISTIANS


My favourite is this guy, who clearly has some pretty forthright opinions but fears the all-powerful change.org cancel culture police:

Simon Jeffery
can't say on here
Imagine being that willing to display your utter stupidity in public.
 
An odd amount of folk declaring their status as a 'Christian' also.
I’ve said this in other threads , it’s just my opinion and I appreciate it’s not a common opinion but i think I’d rather people just owned their opinions. I won’t agree with them but I think I’d rather they did instead of hinting or the “it’s not racist as islam isn’t a race “ or the transphobic or homophobia they dress up in various ways because some seem unwilling to express their actual views. It’s horrible to read but at least you can see who they are without any confusion .
 
More on this, a young London Tory Councillor trying to make a name for himself has launch a change.org petition trying to "Stop the Knighthood". Absolute berk, I'm sure he'll be up for the mayoral candidacy at some point.

https://www.change.org/p/stop-the-knighthood-of-sadiq-khan

Anyway, the comments are fantastic, as you'd expect (and you don't even need to trawl Twitter for them). No idea how many of these are trolls, how many might be underemployed Moscow-based English teachers needing to earn some extra roubles, and how many are just simple home-grown British racists; but here are a few highlights so you don't even have to give the petition any traffic:

Karen Barker
London is unrecognisable since Khan became mayor. It is in decline. The ULEZ has to go and so does he!

Michele Clay
Sadiq khan is the one individual who does NOT deserve a knighthood. He has destroyed London,crime is out of control under Sadiq khan. His ulez scheme is making peoples lives so hard financially. And his arrogance and disloyalty to British people is repulsive. If anything he should be investigated for corruption of the billions he's been given to improve the lives of Londoners and squandered the money on net zero schemes which are flawed. Give the knighthood to someone who actually deserves it and who loves Great Britain and the British people.

Beth Singer
Knighthood should be for people who respect and want to contribute to British culture. He wants to make England Muslim. There are too many Muslim countries already, and they stink.

Valerie Love
I'm signing because sad iq has destroyed the greatest capital city in the world 🤬 reducing London to a violent hell hole! He needs jailing not rewarding - he would destroy the title! Leaving it dirty & meaningless

Lucinda Chalgrove
It is not appropriate for Sadiq Khan to receive a Knighthood as he has made Our Capital City into a dangerous and untenable place to live or visit . There should be a one term policy for any Mayor. There are many people who should be chosen for a knighthood above him . He dose not have our Country’s best interest at heart .

Faye Kellett
Hearing rumours of cover ups and corruption, tut tut, it would be scandalous! He does not and never will represent our capital London. He doesn't represent the British people and nor does this non fit for purpose government. Goes to show the level of contempt, and tyrannical times we are living in, if this has seriously been put forward. The UK is a laughing stock and the circus and clown are doing all they can to ruin us and our once great country.

Michael Ormerod
He is nothing but a Traitor to Britain. He needs removing from office as his policy is for an Islamic State.

Laura McDermott
This man has destroyed London and hates British people. The last thing he deserves is a knighthood.

Emma Williams
He has not acted in British londoners best interests, he is making london a no go area. Crime is up, knife attacks are up. Why is he ruining london? Do not give him an award for doing an incredible bad job.

David Skipper
Under Kahn's time London has become unrecognisable, Dangerous and divisive. He of course will play the race card when questioned about the criticism. Yet, arguably, the only race issue is how he got the position in the first place.

Natasha Crist
He needs deporting not a knighthood. What he has done to businesses with his ULEZ scheme is despicable

Francesca Playdon
He does not speak for the english people. He speaks against us and insults us with derogatory statements. This is not a position for an obviously biased person, and he should not be rewarded for his racist rhetoric with an undeserved knighthood. It is an insult to every native English person. Shame on the royal family if they go long with it. Bunch of sellouts.

Diane Newman
khan has made London a no-go areawhich I would now not visit. it is without doubt one of the worst cities in the world and a complete disgrace.

Carol Gillespie
He is a wolf in sheep's clothing!His traitorship towards all things white and Christian, far outstrips the damage any war has caused.He is a repulsuve foreign parasite!

Anna Wolf
He is a destructive idiot following Globalist agendas which are neither known well nor consented to by the public.He operates in office for himself and not for London or its people.He is a disgrace.He is there to maximise his own pocket by carrying out orders from WEF WHO UN etc and has and is totally ignoring the people who have allowed him into office.

Tracey Mc keever
the joke of the century he is killing London one street at a time taken all our comunity spaces closed all our pubs and is distroying our Culture erasing are history HATES ALL CHRISTIANS


My favourite is this guy, who clearly has some pretty forthright opinions but fears the all-powerful change.org cancel culture police:

Simon Jeffery
can't say on here
Would love to know how many of them actually live in London. I'm going to guess almost none of them
 
Would love to know how many of them actually live in London. I'm going to guess almost none of them
As far as I can tell, most Londoners support ULEZ as well with air quality significantly improving.

Their dislike for him is very much driven by racism. I doubt most could even tell you which of his policies they dislike
 
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