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After three out of the last four years (and even the third one was nothing to be proud of) yes mate, i do think getting rid of this despicable side is the answer. They have proven themselves to be disloyal cowards who give up at the slightest sign of adversity. I can except the reailty that all professional footballers are mercenaries. Only a handful in the modern game give a dam about the club they are playing for. I'll except that, what I can't except is the lack of professional pride they show week in and week out and just shrug of defeat as though it was nothing. If you or I went to work with attitudes like that we'd be sacked within days. I'm not asking them to be playing like they're best mate and know each other brilliantly, just to try.

If your point is true and its the change in managers thats continually efffecting them, then I have a solution. How about they end this horrible habbit of theirs when they delibertly stop playing for managers when things are grim and fight for the manager. They know the score, if they don't try it's the manager who falls on the sword and they can carry on with their nice and easy life with a new manager until he pisses them off and they do the same again. This is part of how Sunderland began, they had a team full of rats who got manager after manager sacked while they just stood there like helpless victims and dragged the club further and further into the abyss, an abyss they are still plunging down to this day.

Ill be clear here it's not just the players. The attitude from the very top of this club except mediocrity and has for decades. This is why we need a fresh start, with fresh players who aren't yet effected by the losers mentality that infeists this club from top to bottom. Only then can we start afresh and begin to think about ever being successful again, this side has excepted failure for to long and its part of their make-up now.
*accept.

Can you think of many teams that have had a complete sweeping change of personnel and became competitive because of it?
I totally understand your frustration, and share it, but sweeping wholesale changes has been proven time and again not to be the answer. Players like Schneiderlin have shown pretty much zero commitment this season and we need to get of him, but we can't do it 7 or 8 players at a time. 3 or 4 out, replaced with better players and our team suddenly looks a lot better. Ideally a top manager too who can organise them, give them clear direction and get them percorming to levels they are capable of.
 

Most spineless team I have ever seen represent Everton.

No charicter, no fight to compete utterly spineless.

No one today deserved to represent that shirt.

Not one player had the courage to fight and compete.

It’s the players for me, all here for a fat wage, spineless.

Unacceptable.

Whilst I am on the whole in agreement with you there are a couple of exceptions in my book - Davies, Coleman.
 
We clearly disagree with each other mate. I think there is a massive quality issue and that our problems are not down to a lack of effort.
I think it's both.

There are a select few players in our line ups who are not always putting in 100% effort, however some are.
The big issue is quality., our team is not as good as we thought it was most of our sqaud never were or no longer are premier league level players.
 
If that's the only thing I got wrong then I'm quite happy. With my dyslexia I generally expect half the post to look terrible.;)
Can you think of many teams that have had a complete sweeping change of personnel and became competitive because of it?
It's not like we're competitive right now is it?!
lI totally understand your frustration, and share it, but sweeping wholesale changes has been proven time and again not to be the answer. Players like Schneiderlin have shown pretty much zero commitment this season and we need to get of him, but we can't do it 7 or 8 players at a time. 3 or 4 out, replaced with better players and our team suddenly looks a lot better. Ideally a top manager too who can organise them, give them clear direction and get them percorming to levels they are capable of.
I didn't say it had to happen all at once mate. I can ACCEPT(;)) that the process will take three to four windows but the side has to go so we can start again. This side is rotten to the core and even the ones who aren't necessarily bad lads are still born losers who embrace and shrug off defeat far to easily. I agree we need a top manager but I doubt Alex Ferguson or Pep Guardiola could get this lot playing with pride. To much water under the bridge at this stage mate. The club has accepted(!) failure for so long it's embedded in the players.
 
A poisonous combination of not having much quality combined with having zero desire. I’m amazed we’re not getting relegated. We really have dodged a bullet. This team is complete dog turd. Keep Pickford Coleman Holgate Davies Tosun and Walcott and absolutely drop kick the rest out of the club.
 

If that's the only thing I got wrong then I'm quite happy. With my dyslexia I generally expect half the post to look terrible.;)

It's not like we're competitive right now is it?!

I didn't say it had to happen all at once mate. I can ACCEPT(;)) that the process will take three to four windows but the side has to go so we can start again. This side is rotten to the core and even the ones who aren't necessarily bad lads are still born losers who embrace and shrug off defeat far to easily. I agree we need a top manager but I doubt Alex Ferguson or Pep Guardiola could get this lot playing with pride. To much water under the bridge at this stage mate. The club has accepted(!) failure for so long it's embedded in the players.
which is sort of my point. you can't get rid of a whole squad at once, it has to be 3 or 4 at a time over a few years. I'm glad you except that ;)
 
which is sort of my point. you can't get rid of a whole squad at once, it has to be 3 or 4 at a time over a few years. I'm glad you except that ;)
Well then I'm not sure what we're disagreeing about. I never claimed I wanted a one season cull, just to bin as many as possible this summer and every other window that follows until pretty much the entire current side (apart from about three or four players) had gone and been replaced.
 
We all know we don't want allardyce, I mean his comment about not passing the ball was laughable, but he wasn't exactly wrong.

It's not just him, he can pick as many players formations etc as he wants, every week he's putting a side out there that's definitely good enough to beat crap like Burnley, but whatever he does, they don't try.

Like the op says, there's no pride, no throwing their bodys on the line etc. Disgusting, constant back turning at opposition's shots. Why doesn't moshiri fine all of them massively? That's the only way they'll give a damn!! Not [Poor language removed] trips to dubai!
 
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