tsubaki
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There seems to be a bit of a disconnect with reality here. Being prepared to deal with a pandemic makes restrictions less likely to be brought in, not more likely.
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There seems to be a bit of a disconnect with reality here. Being prepared to deal with a pandemic makes restrictions less likely to be brought in, not more likely.
I see logic to the half-mask mandate, despite what others say, though I do see there are grey areas that have to be pointed out and we'll see how that goes. I bet compliance won't be as high.
The booster logic confuses me. They are using this as a tool to speed up the booster process. I'm pretty sure that I'll have been offered 3 jabs in the space of 6 months. As a healthy (very healthy before having COVID in July) 26-year-old, who now has natural immunity too on top of 2 vaccine doses, I'm not sure that sits right with me. I don't work in frontline healthcare or anything like that, or even in a public service. Plus, they're worried that it'll evade the vaccines altogether.
The manufacturers will have a booster out in no time that will fix that but they don't yet, but the government are advising people to get the boosters of the older shots anyway. It seems strange, even if I get the idea that the more possible protection the better. Suppose we'll wait and see if it has an impact.
The logic with the travel 2-day PCR. It's crap but I think a blanket approach for nations not on a red list is sensible. There's going to be a lot of travel in the coming weeks and 2-3 days of isolation is rubbish but not too much to ask in most cases. In some cases it's going to ruin plans and that, 2 years into this thing, is crap. But at least it's an actual show of doing something relatively sensible when it comes to inbound travel in this country. They need to get who is administering the tests sorted though - they probably won't and a fat cat Tory doner will make loads of money.
The one point I do not agree with at all is the 10-day isolation for any contacts of this new variant. Obviously if you have it, it's a different matter, but contacts should have to test and isolate until that PCR result comes back. Even if it's done in a similar way to the travel one - that you have to isolate for 2 days and then get a PCR and you can be released on day 3. In fact, that would be so easy to implement and make so much more sense.
Plus, going back to the travel testing, if somebody comes in from Germany or France or wherever, but doesn't test positive on their 2-day PCR only to then fall ill on day four, it could well mean they'd have the virus (and this new variant of it) but they wouldn't have to do another test or isolate (legally speaking). Why is someone who lives here, but classed as a contact, being automatically told to isolate for 10 days whether vaccinated or not? It's ridiculous and I for one will not be following it. I'm not having another Christmas completely ruined by this thing. My family are all double or treble jabbed, I'll wear masks where I'm supposed to, and all of my mates are either double or treble jabbed up. If I get a text from track and trace I'd go and get a test and isolate around that but like hell am I isolating unless I was ill or tested positive though.
The booster logic confuses me. They are using this as a tool to speed up the booster process. I'm pretty sure that I'll have been offered 3 jabs in the space of 6 months. As a healthy (very healthy before having COVID in July) 26-year-old, who now has natural immunity too on top of 2 vaccine doses, I'm not sure that sits right with me. I don't work in frontline healthcare or anything like that, or even in a public service. Plus, they're worried that it'll evade the vaccines altogether.
The manufacturers will have a booster out in no time that will fix that but they don't yet, but the government are advising people to get the boosters of the older shots anyway. It seems strange, even if I get the idea that the more possible protection the better. Suppose we'll wait and see if it has an impact.
The logic with the travel 2-day PCR. It's crap but I think a blanket approach for nations not on a red list is sensible. There's going to be a lot of travel in the coming weeks and 2-3 days of isolation is rubbish but not too much to ask in most cases. In some cases it's going to ruin plans and that, 2 years into this thing, is crap. But at least it's an actual show of doing something relatively sensible when it comes to inbound travel in this country. They need to get who is administering the tests sorted though - they probably won't and a fat cat Tory doner will make loads of money.
The one point I do not agree with at all is the 10-day isolation for any contacts of this new variant. Obviously if you have it, it's a different matter, but contacts should have to test and isolate until that PCR result comes back. Even if it's done in a similar way to the travel one - that you have to isolate for 2 days and then get a PCR and you can be released on day 3. In fact, that would be so easy to implement and make so much more sense.
Plus, going back to the travel testing, if somebody comes in from Germany or France or wherever, but doesn't test positive on their 2-day PCR only to then fall ill on day four, it could well mean they'd have the virus (and this new variant of it) but they wouldn't have to do another test or isolate (legally speaking). Why is someone who lives here, but classed as a contact, being automatically told to isolate for 10 days whether vaccinated or not? It's ridiculous and I for one will not be following it. I'm not having another Christmas completely ruined by this thing. My family are all double or treble jabbed, I'll wear masks where I'm supposed to, and all of my mates are either double or treble jabbed up. If I get a text from track and trace I'd go and get a test and isolate around that but like hell am I isolating unless I was ill or tested positive though.
I can tell you from experience, it's not common sense. It is horrendous for staff to wear them for sometimes upto 14 hours. Many times colleagues and myself have gone home feeling drained, headache, mouth drier than a nun's chuff and so on. They are absolutely horrible to wear all day. To the point where most staff where I work, don't actually bother, it is around the chin. We were losing so many staff to sickness because if them.
The day will come when frontline NHS staff will say enough is enough with masks.
I meant patients here, not staff, i feel very sorry for the staff.
Like I said, though, I literally woke up from an operation (on my mouth) coming down off anesthetic with a mask strapped around my face already. I'm fine with it, I was in hospital for 6 hours total. But still, a bit mad.
Short term patients, like those in a day, then yeah maybe. But long term patients, nah. It's just not practical. The cost alone would be off the charts. Everytine you touch the front if your mask, your supposed to change it. Think how many times they slip and people just grab the front if them and pull them up. To do it properly.you would be going through a mask every few minutes for every patient. If your not going to enforce that, then it is pointless.
I can see the logic in it being suggested, but the practicalities just don't stack up.
Mask mandate has been in place in Wales all along in the same areas, has done absolutely nothing to stop COVID spreading. Indeed, it's been worse than England for months.
It's pointless. There's no logic to it.
It's basically waiting rooms mate. Even if patients didn't wear them in corridors etc. the way the virus spreads is sustained contact, indeed that's how most respiratory illnesses spread.
Not just waiting rooms. Been to a few hospitals who tried it with people in beds as well. Even though it wasn't mandatory for all patients to wear one. They tried to enforce it on people anyway I work in mental health hospital and we sometimes have to take the patients out to a general hospital. Everytime they try to ask the patient wear a mask, even if in for a few days. You can see everyone sack it off. Even the staff are bored of asking now, and generally don't bother trying to enforce it. We have sat in waiting rooms as well and nobody really enforces the mask.
You get talking to some of the staff, and they are bored with it all.
If everyone who went into a hospital said I am not wearing one. Guaranteed the staff wouldn't even consider challenging.
The variant will spread. People will touch their masks, faces then touch other things. Other people touch those things etc. It is going to happen. Just depends on how long. Them the next variant will appear. It will be a never ending circle.
You can make up rules all along, but if people decide to ignore it and those that are supposed to enforce it, don't bother, then it is pointless.
Jab people up then just get on with life. It's not going anywhere. It's with us long term. At some point you just have to get on with life and accept people are going to get Ill and some will die.
I still believe this is a cover to get away from all the grief the government have been getting recently. Quick. Get people scared again.
I really would like to have seen the government saying sommat like. You are triple jabbed. Right let's see where this goes. Then you can make further plans on actual numbers and not made up models. We could actually see if the vaccines are of any use,.if they last?, do we need boosters? etc. By putting in restrictions, we don't get a full story in if these jabs actually work as intended. Until we do know,.we are stuck on this merry-go-round.
grandjoeblue
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Very poor levels of mask wearing in the two Liverpool supermarkets I've visited today. It's weird the way people will wait until the day it's mandated. Surely you'd think people would just wear one from yesterday?
coollino
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I can see how a fair amount of middle aged people who missed the news on TV yesterday not knowing.
Not everyone is connected 24/7
grandjoeblue
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True but round by ours it's still probably max 30-40% wearing masks which seems really low.
coollino
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I was in a Waitrose today and mask wearing was fairly high actually
Well well well
CharliePotato
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Wool.
coollino
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Organic, darling
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