Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[YoboCopter]

1 million dead.

FFS mate, give it a rest on playing this virus down.

Only 5 where fit and well and below 89

 

[jaycee]

You keep talking up the economy, I'll keep taking about saving lives.

That suits me.

There has to be a middle ground though,it cant just carry on like it is,thats no good to anybody except the people at the top profiting from the chaos

 

[YoboCopter]

There has to be a middle ground though,it cant just carry on like it is,thats no good to anybody except the people at the top profiting from the chaos

And dave k

 

[jaycee]

Then they are irresponsible beyond belief. And that's not to ignore the position they've been put in by lack of testing and lack of support financially if they need time off.

The clue is in the word 'carer'.

Im not judging them,I'm not in their position,but if I was then my immediate family would come first,keeping a roof over their head and food in their stomach would be number one priority

 

[Kenshin]

1 million dead.

FFS mate, give it a rest on playing this virus down.

No mate 42 thousand dead in the uk.

But with hundreds of less general respiratory deaths a week by magic.

And on average 1000 less deaths a week currently since mid August based on a 5 year average (in the middle of a pandemic no less!)



The fact is, statistics are important. So running the doomsday scenario that you suggest dismisses the actual reality of things. The reality that will have to become reality In the future if we aren't to destroy ourselves from within. The statistics literally show who needs protecting and who can go back to relative normality.

Given all of this is based on statistics, eventually the government will change to my (and others in here) way of thinking . It just has to happen , no matter how much you hate that idea.

 

[davek]

There has to be a middle ground though,it cant just carry on like it is,thats no good to anybody except the people at the top profiting from the chaos

Of course. It can be done. It's politics not to furlough most of these jobs.

 

[davek]

Im not judging them,I'm not in their position,but if I was then my immediate family would come first,keeping a roof over their head and food in their stomach would be number one priority

And if you had a mother/father or grandmother/grandfather in one of those homes you'd be appalled.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Zero hour,minimum pay is more of a danger than some ketwiggers partying on Formby beach,most people in those contracts can't afford to self isolate,I know a few people who work in care homes,as cleaners and in hospitality that have said they cant or wouldnt take time off if they showed symptoms,2 weeks with no money and its a case of not paying rent or no food and electricity

Good show on BBC 2 last night about the blitz and effects on uk society, and how those who become homeless as consequence, were viewed as undeserving of support. It's times such as then and as now, lays bare the UK class ladder structure and the disdain those above have for those below them...

 

[davek]

No mate 42 thousand dead in the uk.

But with hundreds of less general respiratory deaths a week by magic.

And on average 1000 less deaths a week currently since mid August based on a 5 year average (in the middle of a pandemic no less!)



The fact is, statistics are important. So running the doomsday scenario that you suggest dismisses the actual reality of things. The reality that will have to become reality In the future if we aren't to destroy ourselves from within. The statistics literally show who needs protecting and who can go back to relative normality.

Given all of this is based on statistics, eventually the government will change to my (and others in here) way of thinking . It just has to happen , no matter how much you hate that idea.

It's more than that in excess deaths, but even taking your figure do you think that's a number that isn't shocking and one that could and should have been averted?

It's that attitude to not lockdown early back in March which is at large again right now with the 'liberty' freaks.

Let's all just accept that social life as we knew will have to be put on hold for the foreseeable. It's a killer pandemic, not a minor nuisance for the bulk of the population.

 

[jaycee]

Of course. It can be done. It's politics not to furlough most of these jobs.

Of course its politics,yes it can be done,but we,as in the general public can't control that,scrapping trident and the money wasted on a fast train would solve a lot of the problems but it wont happen

 

[jaycee]

And if you had a mother/father or grandmother/grandfather in one of those homes you'd be appalled.

I left a well paid job to look after my mum when she was ill,I wouldnt dream of putting her in one of those places,private homes run for profit,then when the crap hits the fan complain they have no PPE,while pocketing thousands a year

 

[zzr45]

I left a well paid job to look after my mum when she was ill,I wouldnt dream of putting her in one of those places,private homes run for profit,then when the crap hits the fan complain they have no PPE,while pocketing thousands a year

The real villains of the piece who are sidling by into obscurity because pubs are open.

 

[jaycee]

Good show on BBC 2 last night about the blitz and effects on uk society, and how those who become homeless as consequence, were viewed as undeserving of support. It's times such as then and as now, lays bare the UK class ladder structure and the disdain those above have for those below them...

I'll have to see if its on catch up,its a topic that affects everybody but I dont think it should clog up this thread

 

[Kenshin]

It's more than that in excess deaths, but even taking your figure do you think that's a number that isn't shocking and one that could and should have been averted?

It's that attitude to not lockdown early back in March which is at large again right now with the 'liberty' freaks.

Let's all just accept that social life as we knew will have to be put on hold for the foreseeable. It's a killer pandemic, not a minor nuisance for the bulk of the population.

Well no it couldn't have been averted. The vast majority of death in terms of chain reaction kicked in over a few weeks. Without prior warning there was no avoiding that.

The lockdown was right to happen. As much as they are half arsed, this attempt to get numbers back down now is right to a certain extent, but 3 months from now this has to stop. The here and now is reactionary and within 6 months that is fine to do. Longer term however not so much I don't believe.

This excess of deaths is also reducing week on week , so if that trend continues there may not be a large amount of them. Again won't know that until the future and it's not dismissing the fact that some lives have been lost prematurely, although I believe that number is nowhere near the amount you think it would be.

 

[YoboCopter]

What happend to free choice? Should just be allowed to do what you want