Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[spectateur]

March 2021, if there is still no vaccine in sight, we are back normal. The old and weak may choose to stay indoors till the vaccine arrives. But governments won't be intervening in social life matters.

Government will have forgetten covid by then.
They'll be swamped with the disintegration of the country following the no deal brexit.

 

[davek]

New testing kits from WHO and the European Commission: take 15 minutes to get a result. Germany and France etc signed up for 80 million or so each....the UK government have their own they're trying to sell to us made by their mates in business...which takes 90 minutes and are more difficult to use and get results from.

#World Leaders

Covid-19 tests that give results in minutes to be rolled out across world

Global initiative will supply 120m rapid antigen tests to low- and middle-income countries

www.theguardian.com

 

[Kenshin]

Thousands have died, end of story.

Doesn't matter if the number is a few +/- in one direction at the end.

But it does?

What if the bigger picture this time next year saw dementia deaths dropped by thousands , respiratory deaths dropped by thousands. It would paint an entirely different picture of the here and now. I'm not going to speculate numbers without any data to go with them but what if the numbers were indeed much lower than presented? We won't know by how many until next year.

Yes people have died but the data has to be accurate otherwise it's unreliable. If it's unreliable then all of this is based on incorrect data, given the bigger represcussions beyond just a figure , including jobs, businesses, homes etc.

It all still suggests to me that the numbers are in line with other countries and not massively more as they appear to be now.

 

[Nymzee]

But it does?

What if the bigger picture this time next year saw dementia deaths dropped by thousands , respiratory deaths dropped by thousands. It would paint an entirely different picture of the here and now. I'm not going to speculate numbers without any data to go with them but what if the numbers were indeed much lower than presented? We won't know by how many until next year.

Yes people have died but the data has to be accurate otherwise it's unreliable. If it's unreliable then all of this is based on incorrect data, given the bigger represcussions beyond just a figure , including jobs, businesses, homes etc.

It all still suggests to me that the numbers are in line with other countries and not massively more as they appear to be now.

Are you by any chance a fan of conspiracy theories?

 

[davek]

Have they shut the incubator factories down yet?

 

[spectateur]

The positive case news is real; 3rd day in a row they have fallen. But like someone pointed out, we dont know if the number of actual tests are similar each day, or fewer are actually needed.

That's why we need to know the percentage of positives in the tests taken.
Bare number is rather meaningless.

 

[roydo]

That's why we need to know the percentage of positives in the tests taken.
Bare number is rather meaningless.

Its a conundrum. We are not testing everyone, come what may. We are testing folk after T&T data, (dont laugh at the back), and self reporting after symptoms.

So is it fewer asking, and/or fewer being traced? Or folk just not bothering to ask for a test, or not enough tests available?

 

[Kenshin]

Are you by any chance a fan of conspiracy theories?

Not about covid no.

You can't talk about figures and then just dismiss any chance the figures are wrong like it's unimportant. Literally the reason for all of this going on is based on figures and data.

 

[Nymzee]

Not about covid no.

You can't talk about figures and then just dismiss any chance the figures are wrong like it's unimportant. Literally the reason for all of this going on is based on figures and data.

I don't discuss figures, I don't read into the figures anymore, I just know thousands have died and more will die whilst I follow the ever changing rules till we are "out" of this.

It is completely obvious the numbers aren't 100% accurate and it doesn't need further digging to realise that.

 

[YoboCopter]

Have they shut the incubator factories down yet?

Nope im in one now

 

[Kenshin]

I don't discuss figures, I don't read into the figures anymore, I just know thousands have died and more will die whilst I follow the ever changing rules till we are "out" of this.

It is completely obvious the numbers aren't 100% accurate and it doesn't need further digging to realise that.

All I have done is look at the official figures to come to that conclusion, no conspiracy theory , no pulling people's opinions, just the data.

The same data that says young people aren't dying which ties into why they are out partying and being less concerned about the virus.

So data is extremely important given the circumstances. It may even be influencing people's actions that are robustly being attacked by others.

 

[Nymzee]

All I have done is look at the official figures to come to that conclusion, no conspiracy theory , no pulling people's opinions, just the data.

The same data that says young people aren't dying which ties into why they are out partying and being less concerned about the virus.

So data is extremely important given the circumstances. It may even be influencing people's actions that are robustly being attacked by others.

Firstly, not saying your conclusion is wrong but if you provide the data to back it up then that’s more useful.

Secondly if you’re suggesting people bend their behaviour against the data surely higher numbers than reality is a good thing?

Not sure we personally ever needed data for the bold though. Young people believe they’re invincible.

 

[Billy Dean]

Interesting data again.

This year saw a significant week on week drop from June onwards for respiratory deaths , with covid deaths being consistent in that time. As many as 500 less a week compared to last year some weeks and a consistent drop under 1000 for the summer months in comparison to last year.

In fact go back to previous years and that number is a lot higher in these weeks then this year.

Ergo, there is some basis that hundreds of respiratory deaths this year are being attributed to covid-19 instead. The number has magically dropped so that revised figure could be a few thousand smaller than the official figure.

Which means , in some (being the key word) deaths in the official tally, covid didn't kill them and there was other causes of death, the whole died with not of argument.

I can't be arsed comparing the numbers for an official amount but it will add up to a few thousand. Combined with the magic sudden drop in deaths over the past month, it makes you wonder what the actual figure of covid-19 is because it seems it's not as high as 42000 with all things considered.

where are you getting the data from?

 

[anxiouswarrior]

the science has proof a bit like valllance and his 600 grand shares in glaxo smith kline and his phoney numbers

 

[Kenshin]

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...nalfiguresondeathsregisteredinenglandandwales

where are you getting the data from?

Official site mate.

Just following the trends in the data based on not just this year but the years before it.

The fluctuations in the numbers are pretty clear to see when you compare year on year. Same as the official data shows 1000 less generally a week since the middle of August.

The numbers tend to trend and average out to a similar amount for each point in the year. The only exception being this year for obvious reasons.