Continuous mentality problem

[ryanbeno80]

I don't think this is an issue of the squad, but the club as a whole.

Considering size and history of a club, when the terms 'losers' and 'English Football' are put together I instantly think of Newcastle, Arsenal, possibly Spurs and of course ourselves.

Out of them 4 I'd probably say it is between us and Newcastle for the award of 'the ultimate losers'

Our mentality is pathetic from top to bottom, the words weak and failures come to mind.

But this is not a fault of Moshiri and Koeman, I've felt this way for years, and it'll probably take years to change our losers mentality into a winners mentality.

 

[Carl77]

A red mate of mine text me at half time to say we are the first team this season to negate their tactics and asked how long I thought we could keep it up. I told him 90 minutes. I text back 15 minutes later when McCarthy didn't come back out to say we wouldn't manage another minute of high pressing now that Barry was on.

I don't understand why people cannot see how Barry has a negative impact on our game. It's as if the second holding midfielder feels like they have to stick near Barry to be his legs rather than close down the opposition. I like Barry but if we are going to play high pressing football he doesn't fit the system. We've managed to press and get the fans on our side for the last 70 minutes of the Arsenal game and the first 45 minutes of last night. Both of which Barry was absent for. I don't think it is a coincidence.

Whilst we haven't been the most creative when pressing, we have created problems and I'm sure that if we stick with two high energy midfielders it will eventually click and we'll start to see the benefit.

 

[wainy]

Spot on this. When was the last time Everton won a game with something riding on it? 1995?

It's the younger generation I feel for. I have at least seen the 95 fa cup win. My 18 year old brother has seen nothing. But herein lies the problem, every big game we have he expects us to get tonked, because generally that's the everton we love and know of the last 20 years. We need to spend big on proven winners, but despite the owners billions I fear we are probably too late now and are just consigned to being also rans. I hope I'm wrong.

 

[Thomasc]

A red mate of mine text me at half time to say we are the first team this season to negate their tactics and asked how long I thought we could keep it up. I told him 90 minutes. I text back 15 minutes later when McCarthy didn't come back out to say we wouldn't manage another minute of high pressing now that Barry was on.

I don't understand why people cannot see how Barry has a negative impact on our game. It's as if the second holding midfielder feels like they have to stick near Barry to be his legs rather than close down the opposition. I like Barry but if we are going to play high pressing football he doesn't fit the system. We've managed to press and get the fans on our side for the last 70 minutes of the Arsenal game and the first 45 minutes of last night. Both of which Barry was absent for. I don't think it is a coincidence.

Whilst we haven't been the most creative when pressing, we have created problems and I'm sure that if we stick with two high energy midfielders it will eventually click and we'll start to see the benefit.

Think you might be onto something there mate. He isn't quick enough anymore and it has a negative impact on the side.

Giving him a further 2 year extension is completely baffling and up there with extending Gibson's contract for ridiculous stunts.

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

A red mate of mine text me at half time to say we are the first team this season to negate their tactics and asked how long I thought we could keep it up. I told him 90 minutes. I text back 15 minutes later when McCarthy didn't come back out to say we wouldn't manage another minute of high pressing now that Barry was on.

I don't understand why people cannot see how Barry has a negative impact on our game. It's as if the second holding midfielder feels like they have to stick near Barry to be his legs rather than close down the opposition. I like Barry but if we are going to play high pressing football he doesn't fit the system. We've managed to press and get the fans on our side for the last 70 minutes of the Arsenal game and the first 45 minutes of last night. Both of which Barry was absent for. I don't think it is a coincidence.

Whilst we haven't been the most creative when pressing, we have created problems and I'm sure that if we stick with two high energy midfielders it will eventually click and we'll start to see the benefit.

Agree with this 100%, the last two games illustrate the point perfectly.

 

[hktoffee]

Hate to conceded this late. This group of players just mentally weak (concentration). Why don't just they slow things down when you are under pressure? Go down and waste sometime towards the end...it does not feel good. Now this is the desperate time, make 4/5 good signings in January and we may keep top 7 to make a progress this season. Please Moshiri.

 

[ggooggooggoo]

My thread of 15 new players needed was deleted last month............told ya.

 

[Papa Shango]

Spot on this. When was the last time Everton won a game with something riding on it? 1995?

It's the younger generation I feel for. I have at least seen the 95 fa cup win. My 18 year old brother has seen nothing. But herein lies the problem, every big game we have he expects us to get tonked, because generally that's the everton we love and know of the last 20 years. We need to spend big on proven winners, but despite the owners billions I fear we are probably too late now and are just consigned to being also rans. I hope I'm wrong.

Man Utd when we got 4th.

Lost the resulting qualifier obviously.

Then get battered in the Europa league by the 3rd best team in Bucharest.

Classic Everton.

 

[Aberblue]

Hate to conceded this late. This group of players just mentally weak (concentration). Why don't just they slow things down when you are under pressure? Go down and waste sometime towards the end...it does not feel good. Now this is the desperate time, make 4/5 good signings in January and we may keep top 7 to make a progress this season. Please Moshiri.

You're right.

One thing stood out for me last night - around the middle of the second half, one of the RS players was down injured. It didn't seem to be anything really serious, and indeed he was up & running within a minute or two, but what happened? We put the ball out (I think it was Lennon, but I'm not sure). I said to myself then, "we are going to lose this game". A team of winners would have pressed on, and maybe gained some advantage, but not us.

 

[Papa Shango]

You're right.

One thing stood out for me last night - around the middle of the second half, one of the RS players was down injured. It didn't seem to be anything really serious, and indeed he was up & running within a minute or two, but what happened? We put the ball out (I think it was Lennon, but I'm not sure). I said to myself then, "we are going to lose this game". A team of winners would have pressed on, and maybe gained some advantage, but not us.

It was Lennon.

Problem was Liverpool kicked it out twice themselves during the game.

 

[MikeH72]

Dropping deep, not looking for the ball, shirking responsibility, responding only through horror ankle breakers, not reacting to any second balls. That's all 100% mentality. And we've seen it all before. Did Barry have to be so downright pathetic. No but that's his par for the course against that lot. These players don't have the heart and hunger or belief in themselves for a derby. It's sad but it's reality. It doesn't changes till the club change its mentality and these are given the road. I feel ill and numb but these players are immune to it. They wouldn't be 1 in 20 if it meant what it should to them. I love everton and I love everton players I've grown up with. Even some downright garbage ones because I knew they gave their heart and soul and felt our pain. This lot? I despise 90% of them. They are everything that everton football club should not epitomise. Weak, scared, lazy, gutless, gripped by fear. There's nothing they can do or say to fix it. They just need to go and sooner the better.

The entire club summed up right there. We're pathetic.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Genuinely don't know what the solution is. Everyone blamed Moyes, then it was supposedly Moyes' players, then it was a lack of quality. Now it's a completely new 11 and manager and yet the trait still exists

Historically it's taken some of the greatest teams in football history to win anything at Everton. Dixie Dean netting 60 in a season, a team of the holy trinity, Royle, Labone, Wilson, winning ONE league title, that 80s team only picking up 2 titles when it was the best in Europe. Going through the entire 70s with some great players winning naff all.

Meanwhile Kenny Dalglish managed to cajole Raul Meireles Dirk Kuyt and Andy Carrol into winning a trophy we've never even lifted in our entire history. A team including Vladimir Smicer Djimi Traore and Djibril Cisse won the European cup. Even Rodgers nearly won a league with Simon Mignolet Kolo Toure and a left back so poor I can't even remember his name.

Historically we've had one of the worst mentalities of any footballing side but have been lucky to have been blessed by some of the greatest players to have played the game to drag us over the line. Even then though we should have won far far more.

Given the current cowards and frauds in the squad there's zero chance of this ever being rectified anytime soon. We could put out a front three of Messi Ronaldo and Neymar and we still probably wouldn't get a shot on target in the Derby. The club is rotten from top to bottom.

 

[Prevenger17]

A red mate of mine text me at half time to say we are the first team this season to negate their tactics and asked how long I thought we could keep it up. I told him 90 minutes. I text back 15 minutes later when McCarthy didn't come back out to say we wouldn't manage another minute of high pressing now that Barry was on.

I don't understand why people cannot see how Barry has a negative impact on our game. It's as if the second holding midfielder feels like they have to stick near Barry to be his legs rather than close down the opposition. I like Barry but if we are going to play high pressing football he doesn't fit the system. We've managed to press and get the fans on our side for the last 70 minutes of the Arsenal game and the first 45 minutes of last night. Both of which Barry was absent for. I don't think it is a coincidence.

Whilst we haven't been the most creative when pressing, we have created problems and I'm sure that if we stick with two high energy midfielders it will eventually click and we'll start to see the benefit.

Tbh, I'm a big fan of Barry, but I think you're fairly close to the mark here. He's good for a system that's not reliant on pressing, but a square peg for the type of game we played against Arsenal and Liverpool. I think there's encouraging signs from the games we have played with Gana and McCarthy at the centre, would like to see more of the same with someone like Besic instead of Barry

 

[ToffeeTim]

The entire club summed up right there. We're pathetic.

It will come into place.

I just hope I'm not 6 feet under by that stage lol

 

[Saint Domingo]

Dropping deep, not looking for the ball, shirking responsibility, responding only through horror ankle breakers, not reacting to any second balls. That's all 100% mentality. And we've seen it all before. Did Barry have to be so downright pathetic. No but that's his par for the course against that lot. These players don't have the heart and hunger or belief in themselves for a derby. It's sad but it's reality. It doesn't changes till the club change its mentality and these are given the road. I feel ill and numb but these players are immune to it. They wouldn't be 1 in 20 if it meant what it should to them. I love everton and I love everton players I've grown up with. Even some downright garbage ones because I knew they gave their heart and soul and felt our pain. This lot? I despise 90% of them. They are everything that everton football club should not epitomise. Weak, scared, lazy, gutless, gripped by fear. There's nothing they can do or say to fix it. They just need to go and sooner the better.

Brilliant post. Nail on head. I've cheered terrible Everton sides because they were to a man giving everything. They could frustrate but you were never not behind them hoping for better. This bunch of players are a complete disgrace and inspire nothing but initial anger and now apathy. They quite simply do not care, a collection of mercenaries passing through, and pensioners picking up their final pay cheques. Get some players in who will at least break a sweat for the shirt. Where has the pride gone? Where's the modern day Cahill, Ferguson, Stuart, Horne, Watson?! God even effing Stracqualarsi understood it!!!! He had zero talent but gave EVERYTHING. That is all any Everton fan ever wants. This group are not Everton players. If they shipped all of them out tomorrow I wouldn't care one jot.