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orchard
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Is right lid, not that the 'Left's' an alternative like.
magicjuan
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Think it's more obvious then ever they are two sides of the same coin
orchard
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It's fairly obvious that either this would happen, or it would be China, at least to me mate, both would love an Atlantic 'satellite' close to the EU.
orchard
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Check this out if you haven't seen it, it's a good yarn attempting to depict the genesis of Socialism and Fascism in Italy
Basil Fawlty
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The left in britain died with John Smith IMO mate. The day the right of the labour party managed to install Tory Blair was the "end of history" as Fukuyama said of the fall of the USSR. That neoliberal economics has become the orthodox system for labour as well as the Tories is shameful and disrespectful to any traditional labour voter
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orchard
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I've never really been sure who or what the 'Left' represent really mate, excepting Union members and Leaders. Like Juan mentioned, they're pretty much the same side of the coin, except the Left wanted to ensure its members became relatively more wealthy.
Basil Fawlty
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Back in the day everyone was a member of one union or another and with full employment a party that works for the benefit of union members and leaders (ie. everyone) is preferable to one who works for the benefit of a small elite and corporate interests of its members
orchard
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They weren't mate.
As an aside:
Although I haven't studied it, I get the impression that the Russian Revolutionaries weren't predominantly Marxists/Engelists, Anarchists influenced by the likes of Tolstoy and Kropotkin, and the Serfs wanting a reasonable peasant-like autonomy formed the majority, although they were quickly engineered to the sidelines once the coup had been effected, and were violently dealt with later...
Not the most serious of conspiracies but I am convinced the free razors sent out by Gillette have higher quality blades than the replacement blades
orchard
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Basil Fawlty
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Well about 13m people were by the time Thatcher came to power like mate
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/cabinetpapers/alevelstudies/1950-trade-unions.htm
magicjuan
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All 'revolutions' need funding. Even the recent Arab spring events had external support from those who would benefit from the destabilisation, namely the west, especially the US.
It's these external sources that precipitate and 'allow' revolution to take place. In Russia the funding was external too, and as happened in many places, the private banks funded both sides, the finances weren't the issue, it was control of the aftermath that was important.
Naomi Klein's Shock Doctrine is good at describing how turmoil is used by corporations, and I include modern governments in that, to engineer change to their own benefit.
It all plays on the power of persuasion, the ability to put forward an idea that will gather momentum but has ulterior motives, every radical change has always benefitted those at the top, other than the Sandinistas, I cannot think of another revolution that put the people at the bottom first and did so for some time. There are obviously others, but as with the Sandinistas, those who were to lose out put a concerted effort in to undermine any change unless they controlled it. the Americans were terrified of socialism working, as it was in Nicaragua, and spreading throughout latin America.
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