Computer games.

Mikey_Fitzgerald said:
It's all subjective anyway

I just give my opinion on something and explain why

If someone has different criteria that they weight a game on, then that's great

All I can do is explain to you why I do/don't like a game, and hopefully you'll find it useful in some form
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I like your bits mate. Especially as they're retro stuff which I'm really into at the mo (bought a Gameboy Advance SP for no real reason last week!). Like your Olympic Soccer thing bought back memories. I remember it being not bad but your review probably made me think twice and realise it was all memories.
 
heatmeiser said:
Ha yeah they're usually pretty garish. I'm happy with my predator ak, though I do like the wasteland, just because Fallout.

I'm purposely avoiding finding out how to gamble. It will be carnage.
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Exactly, haha! Wasteland isn't that expensive iirc?

Never learn how to gamble, it's quite a crap situation really. There's actual roulette type websites and stuff and people lose tons of money on them, it's ridiculous :(
 
ijjysmith said:
If a game is good to me. It's a good game to me.

If a game is a good game to you, it's a good game to you.
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That's what I said - subjective.

I like some objectively terrible games, but they are subjectively good to me as I enjoy them. I could never claim they're actually "good" games though as deep down I know they're just a guilty pleasure rather than something that's actually decent.
 
Tubey said:
That's what I said - subjective.

I like some objectively terrible games, but they are subjectively good to me as I enjoy them. I could never claim they're actually "good" games though as deep down I know they're just a guilty pleasure rather than something that's actually decent.
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I get the whole subjective/objective thing of course.

But if you like a game that some fat YouTube bloke didn't like, then it's still a good game. For you. You decide what you like, not some total random.

They might give you an idea of what a game is like, what goes on and so on, but surely they'll never sway you into liking a game or not?
 
ijjysmith said:
I get the whole subjective/objective thing of course.

But if you like a game that some fat YouTube bloke didn't like, then it's still a good game. For you. You decide what you like, not some total random.

They might give you an idea of what a game is like, what goes on and so on, but surely they'll never sway you into liking a game or not?
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No mate, playing it does. What I'm saying is that a critics job is to look for reasons the game is objectively good, while putting a subjective spin on it (it's impossible to be 100% objective). They have trained eyes to look beyond content for the sake of content.

So for example, Giant Bomb:

There's tons to do in Mad Max, but most of what you do are the same few things, over and over again. I did it because I felt like I was supposed to, because some piece of my weird brain told me what I was doing was fun.
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So he's recognising he didn't hate the game as he played it, as on some level he was subjectively having fun, but they understood its' flaws objectively, and scored it 6/10.

Mad Max isn't a good game objectively in my view, and I didn't like it subjectively either - it bored me.
 
Tubey said:
No mate, playing it does. What I'm saying is that a critics job is to look for reasons the game is objectively good, while putting a subjective spin on it (it's impossible to be 100% objective). They have trained eyes to look beyond content for the sake of content.

So for example, Giant Bomb:



So he's recognising he didn't hate the game as he played it, as on some level he was subjectively having fun, but they understood its' flaws objectively, and scored it 6/10.

Mad Max isn't a good game objectively in my view, and I didn't like it subjectively either - it bored me.
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Didn't it get a load of good reviews too though?
 
ijjysmith said:
I get the whole subjective/objective thing of course.

But if you like a game that some fat YouTube bloke didn't like, then it's still a good game. For you. You decide what you like, not some total random.

They might give you an idea of what a game is like, what goes on and so on, but surely they'll never sway you into liking a game or not?
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I remember Hitman Absolution getting panned by everybody and I ended up absolutely loving it.

Different strokes and all that.....
 
ijjysmith said:
Didn't it get a load of good reviews too though?
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Mad Max has been quite interesting, in that the user scores from gamers tend to be high but scores from most critics have tended to be low

Total Biscuit did a very long 40 minute video about it, which was interesting yet waffled on a bit

Basically, critics seem to have really disliked this game where as quite a lot of gamers have enjoyed it

I'm not really sure why there's such a huge disconnect between those two groups. I haven't played the game as I don't really have enough to play that along with the games I'm already due to write about

From what I've seen, it looks like you do a lot of faffing about the place, but then you do that in a lot of games. I think critics have reached a point where they expect more from games of this type. The market is kind of over saturated when it comes to sandbox games I suppose. I didn't think the game looked too bad if I'm honest, but it doesn't jump out at me as something I'd HAVE to buy
 

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