What's the hardest game people have played? (Not like insane game modes though)
I remember Metroid Prime on GameCube for a kid being so so hard.
I play Dark Souls (1, 2, and 3 and just got Demon Souls) a lot and pvE they are not too hard if you get into them.
I think the hard rep came when DS1 was released it was just so different to the hand-holding subservience to the player that had gotten out of hand with games around that time.
DS pvp, on the other hand, is super-hard, particularly in 1 - hardest game I've played. It's prob not harder than any real fighting game like SF or Tekken, which are crazy deep AFAICT, but it's amazing to see such a deep game as part of the bigger pvE. Massive salt mine of grief when pvE players try to pvp and don't understand that it's literally a different game.
Blown away by how good Demon Souls is - that must have been some game if you played it 10 years back, hugely ahead of its time. Not altogether convinced such a dutiful re-make was the best idea, apparently there is literally no change in gameplay, but it's an exceptional game.