Chris Foy - Evertonian

[ravaro]

Cast your mind back to the City game earlier this season. Kompany goes through Cahill with a sly challenge and nothing happens, although quite a fuss is made in the media the following day.

Now Chris Foy must have seen that incident and, as a fan as well as a referee, thought that Kompany got away with one.

Cue Sunday.

 

[kenada_blue]

Nah....you cant two foot a player or go flying in off the ground. End. Of. Ref saw it, sent him off.

But players don't bother listening and keep doing it.

Find it amusing that there's a number of other teams in the league that dont get players sent off for challenges like that because they dont do them, one being us.

 

[Brennan]

Nah....you cant two foot a player or go flying in off the ground. End. Of. Ref saw it, sent him off.

But players don't bother listening and keep doing it.

Find it amusing that there's a number of other teams in the league that dont get players sent off for challenges like that because they dont do them, one being us.

^This.

The whole point is that the ref should punish how dangerous the tackle is, not the damage it does. Stupid City supporters are trying to defend it because it didn't do any damage, but it COULD have been a leg breaker. Any time you go into a tackle with two feet you risk that, especially when both are off the ground like Kompany's were. It's like if i took a swing at a player and he ducked, i should rightly be sent off for violent conduct, it doesn't matter whether i actually hit the other player or not.

 

[Mvflusk]

I'd like to think that's what went through his mind.

But Kompany is that kind of player. He wins challenges by making players pull out to avoid injury. It was a red card in my eyes. Compare that to Felli who never pulls out of challenges and can't finish a season because of it.

 

[BigBlueBalls]

He got the ball, it wasn't two footed, he kept his left foot slightly back from the contact maker (right foot).
Sometimes such tackles have to be made, he didn't touch the man, it wasn't reckless and from behind. Yellow card yes, game ruining red, no ta.
A lot of very strange decisions in that game. Jones hacked down someone and didn't get even a talking too.

POOR POOR POOR.

 

[Brennan]

He got the ball, it wasn't two footed, he kept his left foot slightly back from the contact maker (right foot).
Sometimes such tackles have to be made, he didn't touch the man, it wasn't reckless and from behind. Yellow card yes, game ruining red, no ta.
A lot of very strange decisions in that game. Jones hacked down someone and didn't get even a talking too.

POOR POOR POOR.

Both of his legs were extended and it was only good fortune that his left leg didn't smash into Nani. Dangerous, possibly career ending play deserves a red card. This is basic, every pro footballer is taught to keep their second leg bent.

 

[ToffeeDan]

A few points:
1. Television distorts the view the majority have of the incident - the ref makes a split second call.
2. Nani pulled out - perhaps to avoid a serious injury
3. There was an audible gasp from the crowd when the tackle went in - suggesting it was more dangerous than people are willing to admit simply because there was minimal contact.

In his defence it wasn't his studs he was leading with but the potential to wrap his legs around Nani & cause at least a 9 month holiday for his opponent (or much much worse) was there. This has to be controlled.

Comparing it with Rodwell's challenge is futile. The only thing in danger there was the football. If an opponent recklessly challenges a ball that isn't there to be won that's their look out (some might think of Fellaini's challenge at Anfield along those lines - it was reckless on his part as well as meeting the studs of the dirty little Greek) but a footballer can't be expected to account for the actions of an opponent who was not immediately challenging for a loose ball.

 

[sanctioned]

Two feet + up in the air= Red Card

No matter what circumstance in the end that tackle, if it hit nani, could have ended his career. Red card all day.

 

[BigBlueBalls]

If two feet in the air is the decider, then every aerial challenge means a red card.
There is no consistency - a player gets red one week and gets off scot free the next. The hideous nature of the respect campaign means questioning referees is out - but how are players, managers and fans supposed to just accept the skewed and often biased judgement of worthless refs.
Also, I was under the impression that waving pretend cards was a cardable offence. Good to see players respected so much cowed down to by refs and happy to go with the pressure.

Hateful.

 

[Brennan]

If two feet in the air is the decider, then every aerial challenge means a red card.
There is no consistency - a player gets red one week and gets off scot free the next. The hideous nature of the respect campaign means questioning referees is out - but how are players, managers and fans supposed to just accept the skewed and often biased judgement of worthless refs.
Also, I was under the impression that waving pretend cards was a cardable offence. Good to see players respected so much cowed down to by refs and happy to go with the pressure.

Hateful.

Two feet in the air at the point of contact was what he meant, i believe. You're going off on a tangent now anyway, nobody is denying that referees make sh**e decisions but this one was perfectly acceptable. It was a dangerous tackle and if Nani hadn't jumped out of the way and contact HAD been made then everybody would be saying it.

 

[BigBlueBalls]

So it is a matter of intent? how long before the elbows of a solitary defender get flagged up as being potentially dangerous?

There are occasions where the only means to go for and win the ball mean being involved in the kind of ugly challenge that the FA so despise. On this occasion if Kompany had wanted to make sure he got Nani he could have, it would have been nothing to raise his left a little higher and go for the knee. He didn't, he went for the ball and only the ball and got only the ball. Bad challenges happen, players mistime tackles, and some go out of their way to hurt other professionals. But how long before a player can only take the ball from an opponent by way of written request?

 

[EFCNIK]

The ref had to send him off. It's not the refs fault. The rules are: Two footed, off the floor= red card. And in most cases that would be the correct descision. However, in this case I don't think it was even a foul. But he had to send him off because if he didn't his superiors would have a black mark against his name. What needs to change is the ability for referee's to use there own common sense and discretion. To judge each individual tackle on it's own individual merit. No problem with Chris Foy making that descision there, even if it was the wrong one. His hands are tied by the powers that be.

 

[McBain]

Any tackle that wins the ball first should never ever be a foul.

Winning the ball and taking out the player is very definitely an art form and should not be punished.

As soon as you miss the ball, or the player gets there first, it's a foul.

This should be the rule, isn't it?

 

[EFCNIK]

Any tackle that wins the ball first should never ever be a foul.

Winning the ball and taking out the player is very definitely an art form and should not be punished.

As soon as you miss the ball, or the player gets there first, it's a foul.

This should be the rule, isn't it?

I think it all depends on the player really. If it's Diouf or Suarez for example then anything goes.

 

[kenada_blue]

Im sure the Fifa rule book states any challenge from the front, side, or back of a player with two feet is deemed excessive force regardless if its clean or won the ball

As stated before, a lot of teams dont do those challenges, its an tackle a player does not need to do unless you want to leave a mark. Why does a player have to go in with two feet? Nobody asks that because the answer is, you don't have to