Changes Coming To GOT

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TrailerTrash said:
Nonsense. People are in prison for Facebook and twitter posts.

They are as open to legalities as any other digital communications.

Twitter is irrelevant to THIS forum being forced to shut down parts to satisfy this need to control discussions.

THAT is the issue.
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There are forums that promote suicide and self-harm, where people can post revenge porn, AI porn etc. They have been able to exist because those sites argue that they can't be held responsible for what their users post as that the try to "moderate" their site and "remove harmful content", when in reality they do nothing.

This law isn't shutting down discussion. It's making those discussions the responsibility of the site owner who is hosting it. I have no problem with that, but do feel for sites like this that haven't got the bandwidth/finances to manage it.
 
GrandOldTeam said:
Challenge away Ste ;)

In fact, now I know you work in the field of reviewing legislation I might be sending you a near 30 page doc I'm pulling together to review because it's making my eyes bleed;

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From the pretty extensive reading I've done - the various commentators I've consulted with... the lazy AI exchanges;

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@tsubaki ^ the "harassment/bullying/harmful misinformation etc" is the type of content I referred to earlier.


... I struggle to see a scenario in which we can operate CA, or host page 3 material, and remain compliant.
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Very happy to help if I can boss.
 
GrandOldTeam said:
Challenge away Ste ;)

In fact, now I know you work in the field of reviewing legislation I might be sending you a near 30 page doc I'm pulling together to review because it's making my eyes bleed;

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From the pretty extensive reading I've done - the various commentators I've consulted with... the lazy AI exchanges;

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@tsubaki ^ the "harassment/bullying/harmful misinformation etc" is the type of content I referred to earlier.


... I struggle to see a scenario in which we can operate CA, or host page 3 material, and remain compliant.
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Just throwing it out there but would it help to close the Everton part of the forum as well as the current affairs and just focus on a few core threads, like fridges, what you last ate and Wordle?

Not much hate or harassment in those threads.
 
trueblue84 said:
There are forums that promote suicide and self-harm, where people can post revenge porn, AI porn etc. They have been able to exist because those sites argue that they can't be held responsible for what their users post as that the try to "moderate" their site and "remove harmful content", when in reality they do nothing.

This law isn't shutting down discussion. It's making those discussions the responsibility of the site owner who is hosting it. I have no problem with that, but do feel for sites like this that haven't got the bandwidth/finances to manage it.
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I love how you use extremes to justify the closing en masse of the little people

It's cowardly.
 
trueblue84 said:
Because that's exactly who it is targeting. This site isn't being targeted, but the owners just don't know whether it's worth the risk/overhead to manage such things as the CA forum. @GrandOldTeam, please correct me if I'm wrong.
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I think both you and @TrailerTrash are correct.

I think the objectives of the act are admirable.

I think the execution though is unnecessarily sledgehammer and nut.

I think the types of platform the act wants to target, will just move around. They'll lash servers abroad and put two fingers up.

We already do everything, and more that the act asks. We just have to formalise/document it.

Well I say everything - aside from unmoderated CA/NSFW threads. And possibly user to user private messaging.

What I think of the act though doesn't really matter. I have to make sure we're compliant.
 
GrandOldTeam said:
I think both you and @TrailerTrash are correct.

I think the objectives of the act are admirable.

I think the execution though is unnecessarily sledgehammer and nut.

I think the types of platform the act wants to target, will just move around. They'll lash servers abroad and put two fingers up.

We already do everything, and more that the act asks. We just have to formalise/document it.

Well I say everything - aside from unmoderated CA/NSFW threads. And possibly user to user private messaging.

What I think of the act though doesn't really matter. I have to make sure we're compliant.
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Do you think it'll be like gdpr, where once sites/companies get to grips with it, they'll eventually have a better understanding of what they need to do and have access to tools to support them?

Also, is it something you could manage with donations/premium memberships? I'll happily sign up if it means I can continue to look at boobs.
 
GrandOldTeam said:
I'd rather keep Current Affairs, it's an active part of the site - from a sample of 3.5m views;

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... removing it will make more moderation/makes The Ale House become a headache too.

But current Affairs, as it is now - would be an existential threat to the forum. It wouldn't be compliant with UK law.

To comply, we'd need to moderate it more so than we do the rest of the forum and that's just not feasible. It would tie us up in knots and that's before any complaints.



I'm not sure it'll have any real impact on the big'uns mate.

It'll give necessary power to act against a few small loon sites.

It's a good thing, but it's execution has meant more losers than necessary. I've felt they'd change it/make it less sledgehammer to crack a nut but doesn't seem to be happening and we're a month off now. There's a big shift to liability/risk to platforms owners - and evidently, a lot won't accept that.

Eventually you'll have forums have sections I'm currently working on like the below;

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OFCOM Online Safety Act (OSA)

We are committed to fostering a safe and positive online environment for all our users.
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www.grandoldteam.com

User Safety

This page outlines our commitment to user safety, ensuring a secure experience for readers of all ages.
www.grandoldteam.com www.grandoldteam.com

... and I have a 30+ page document I'm still working on that demonstrates compliance and complaint procedures. On it, I can't specify we have a forum that we don't moderate, as well as page 3 material without an age gate unfortunately :lol:
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42868 posts in the CA and most of them @davek in the Ukraine thread complaining about people going shopping.
 
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trueblue84 said:
Do you think it'll be like gdpr, where once sites/companies get to grips with it, they'll eventually have a better understanding of what they need to do and have access to tools to support them?

Also, is it something you could manage with donations/premium memberships? I'll happily sign up if it means I can continue to look at boobs.
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Yeah, GDPR is what I compared it to at first. Forum owners etc getting in a tizz over very little and misreading scary headlines. I think there's definitely some kneejerk reactions. It's a bit "FFS, you should be moderating a forum anyway. Do the admin and get on with it".

I think eventually it'll be user safety sections similar to what I linked earlier added to websites etc and the world will keep on turning.

I did check if we could paywall current affairs as an age gate but my understanding (and I say that's a someone who runs a forum in spare time) is we'd still need to moderate it. It's not just a case of "we can prove these people are 18+". Moderating Current Affairs is naturally higher risk - misinformation/hateful content alone. Time, resource, risk vs reward - I just don't think we can.

I think people would be genuinely surprised at the type of agitators forums get, particularly football forums. The OSA will definitely be weaponised.
 
GrandOldTeam said:
Yeah, GDPR is what I compared it to at first. Forum owners etc getting in a tizz over very little and misreading scary headlines. I think there's definitely some kneejerk reactions. It's a bit "FFS, you should be moderating a forum anyway. Do the admin and get on with it".

I think eventually it'll be user safety sections similar to what I linked earlier added to websites etc and the world will keep on turning.

I did check if we could paywall current affairs as an age gate but my understanding (and I say that's a someone who runs a forum in spare time) is we'd still need to moderate it. It's not just a case of "we can prove these people are 18+". Moderating Current Affairs is naturally higher risk - misinformation/hateful content alone. Time, resource, risk vs reward - I just don't think we can.

I think people would be genuinely surprised at the type of agitators forums get, particularly football forums. The OSA will definitely be weaponised.
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Charge premium subs and use them to pay a respectable and responsible community member, say @chicoazul, a full time salary to moderate. It'd be swell.
 
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