Carsley - "Tim Cahill not an Everton legend"

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How could he not be considered a legend, he spent 8 years at the club scoring countless important goals in big games and giving his all in every game, his presence in the team corresponded precisely with our vast improvement from relegation fodder to a team that is in the mix for european football very season, he spoke with class and dignity, he showed his love for the club at every opportunity and wound up the rs, he is a legend, more so than Big Dunc who is also a huge club legend. imo of course.
 

The thing with legends is that there is no definitive criteria. The reason someone or something can be legendary is because of particular actions within a particular context.

You could argue that Big Dunc is a legend (another debate) and Carsley would agree because he won an FA cup. But he is remember most fondly by Evertonians because he lit up Goodison in dark days and offered hope at a particular point in time. Arguably, he was not overly instrumental in the FA cup win...

So, Cahill - a legend given the circumstances which he played for us and his effect upon the team and club (paraphrasing the 'for' argument).
 
The Australia international, who played 278 times for the Toffees in a career spanning eight years, ranks as one of manager David Moyes' best buys after his £1.5million move from Millwall.

He completed a move to New York Red Bulls after signing a three-and-a-half-year deal with the Eastern Conference leaders.

"On a personal level, I will miss the first-ever player that David and I went to see together, and the wide-eyed bundle of energy that walked into my office a short time later and told me that Everton was his destiny," Kenwright told Press Association Sport.

"And he now embarks on a new stage of his career with our heartfelt thanks, and of course our real best wishes for his future.

"I can guarantee New York Red Bulls will have many, many admirers cheering them on from across the Ocean. All wearing the Blue of Everton. Thank you Tim"

The transfer represents a good move for Everton also as it gets the 32-year-old, who was one of the club's highest earners on £55,000-a-week, off the wage bill.

That should and should pave the way for the club to step up their efforts to re-sign Tottenham midfielder Steven Pienaar.

"We accepted this offer for Tim with a heavy heart but it is a great way for him to end his Everton career," Kenwright added on evertonfc.com

"The transfer salutes Tim's unswerving commitment to our cause over the last eight years and also respects his desire never to play against Everton."
 

Carsley's argument is that Cahill isn't a legend because he didn't win anything. Well, he couldn't do it by himself. He carried the club when the likes of Bent and Saha couldn't find the net. Tim can stand shoulder to shoulder with most of the Everton greats.
 
Completely agree.

Is Paul Rideout a legend? He scored the winner in the FA Cup final but he was by no means one of our greatest ever players.
 
Carsley's argument is that Cahill isn't a legend because he didn't win anything. Well, he couldn't do it by himself. He carried the club when the likes of Bent and Saha couldn't find the net. Tim can stand shoulder to shoulder with most of the Everton greats.

It's just Carsley's opinion. Perhaps it's reflective of his own opinions of himself as a footballer too.

It's funny though because I see Carsley as, whilst obviously not a legend, a massive cult hero and icon who never won anything with us or at all. He's a favourite of mine though for many of the reasons Cahill is.
 
Completely agree.

Is Paul Rideout a legend? He scored the winner in the FA Cup final but he was by no means one of our greatest ever players.

No Rideout isn't a legend. He was an average player for us like.

Cahill wasn't a legend for us either but he was fantastic and a cult hero. Same as Duncan. They should be made up with that as they'll always be loved and fondly remembered by us and welcome back.

We're lucky to support a club who's enjoyed fantastic success so our benchmark for "legend" is a little higher than most.
 
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It's just Carsley's opinion. Perhaps it's reflective of his own opinions of himself as a footballer too.

It's funny though because I see Carsley as, whilst obviously not a legend, a massive cult hero and icon who never won anything with us or at all. He's a favourite of mine though for many of the reasons Cahill is.

I don't think he meant it as a put down. Cahill himself would probably agree that he wasn't a legend for the same reasons. They're both hard on each other for not winning anything. If you were going to pick players from each decade that epitomise the best of Everton it's difficult to look much further than Tiger Tim during the noughties.
 
I don't think he meant it as a put down. Cahill himself would probably agree that he wasn't a legend for the same reasons. They're both hard on each other for not winning anything. If you were going to pick players from each decade that epitomise the best of Everton it's difficult to look much further than Tiger Tim during the noughties.

I can't disagree with any of that, to be honest.

Haven't we come a long way? :lol:
 
Legendary status is a subjective term. For me I have been a fan for 12 years and haven't experienced a great Everton team that have won trophy so a Legendary status to my eyes can not be withheld with winning stuff, because it doesn't exist. Tim is a Legend to ''me'' but for the Everton football club as a whole he is nothing close.
 

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