Transfer Rumour Carney Chukwuemeka

[Amokachi1995]

It doesn’t work for everyone though really does it? Chelsea don’t really win out of this unless we jump to their tune. Broja is going to be out of commission until next season. There’s interest in Carney. Why would they let us take him and burden themselves with a long term injury? Exactly as you say, we will need to pay extra, which we simply aren’t in a position to do. The only way it happens is if we lose and take all of the hit (deservedly)

If this still hinges on ‘if we can cancel the loan’ then every noise, credible and not, have repeatedly said that’s not on the cards. And if the club changes its minds at the last minute, it gets what it deserves

Why would they let us have Carney? Give him Premier league experience. Receive a fee. Maybe he scores against one of their Top 4 competitors. Broja is still their asset so they are burdened with his injury either way. I'd assume they would want control over his rehabilitation.

I also appreciate that they may not be desperate to loan to a team that has just crocked one of their players, although most sensible people will see it wasn't our fault.

I guess we'll see. There may not be a scenario that works for all parties but it doesn't seem impossible.

 

[ValBlue]

Why would they let us have Carney? Give him Premier league experience. Receive a fee. Maybe he scores against one of their Top 4 competitors. Broja is still their asset so they are burdened with his injury either way. I'd assume they would want control over his rehabilitation.

I also appreciate that they may not be desperate to loan to a team that has just crocked one of their players, although most sensible people will see it wasn't our fault.

I guess we'll see. There may not be a scenario that works for all parties but it doesn't seem impossible.

the fee required would most likely be a club record for us by the way, they will be asking for 40/50 odd million

 

[Amokachi1995]

the fee required would most likely be a club record for us by the way, they will be asking for 40/50 odd million

I meant a loan fee. Didn't realise there was chat about a permanent move.

 

[ValBlue]

I meant a loan fee. Didn't realise there was chat about a permanent move.

Then what’s the point? I don’t see the point in looking to get a player whose whole thing is ‘massive upside’ if you’re only going to get them for 4 months, them having not played first team (or any premier league football) in ages??

 

[hallamblue]

Think you are completely miss reading the situation. They care deeply about money and will be looking at the overall picture in terms of turning a profit.
Part of the purchase agreement was that they had to invest in the playing side. Losing Rudiger and Christiansen for free will have stung them and whilst many take the mick out of them offering long contracts most of their critics have misunderstood what the reasons ( plural) why these extended deals were on offer. Of course in PSR terms it reduced expenses but in accounting terms the asset doesn’t quickly decrease to a point where there is no potential sell on value.
It’s easy to fall into the trap of saying that £1.2 billion has been spent on the team and yes the players have cost a packet but alongside players that already have featured in the PL there are a significant “ stock” of youngsters that cost a decent sum players like Kendry Perez already a regular in his international team then you have a stream of Brazilian players players that will be in our squad over the next year or two
Of course not all these youngsters will develop, they never do, but the owners have these highly thought of youngsters under long term contracts and their fees( or ant least the bulk ) is already paid and also other players currently in the squad will depart many for a profit
In terms of Broja of course Chelsea will take him back but on terms that suit Chelsea. The fact he ties up a loan spot is a significant bargaining chip in Chelsea’s favour and Everton really haven’t ( sadly from your perspective) got any option but to pay one way or another.

I like your attempt to defend the bonkers transfer policy of paying top dollar for every young player in some kind of football manager splurge. However, in the real world that £1.2 billion is already devalued by about half. There are no clubs in the world who will buy Enzo Fernandez for more than half what you paid for him, same with Caicedo. Your owners were like a kid in a candy store, and you will spend the next four or five years trying to negotaite your way out of the mess or take a massive financial hit. You're just lucky that you're not in Spain where the regulator actually has some teeth rather than in England where you can just pretend your women's team is worth £150 million or sell a hotel to yourself for 5 times the actual value.

 

[hallamblue]

Then what’s the point? I don’t see the point in looking to get a player whose whole thing is ‘massive upside’ if you’re only going to get them for 4 months, them having not played first team (or any premier league football) in ages??

Because our squad is decimated.

 

[blueboy72]

Chelsea have chucked £1.2 billion at their team, I shouldn't think they care about the money, they probably just don't want him back.

They wanted 30mil for him over the last year or so. They will be lucky to get 15 for him in the future

 

[Mr Happy]

Think the idea is Broja goes back and we get a different Chelsea player on loan.

Kind of works for everyone - we get a player, Chelsea get an income and they put a different player in the shop window.

But also doesn't - we're not really filling a position we most need to and there is limited choice. Probably also have to pay a bit extra.

Not happening though is it. Pay £Xmil to cancel Broja loan then another £Xmillion for a fringe player in a position we don't need and who has less Prem experience than most of current squad. Not happening.

 

[WestStandLower]

I like your attempt to defend the bonkers transfer policy of paying top dollar for every young player in some kind of football manager splurge. However, in the real world that £1.2 billion is already devalued by about half. There are no clubs in the world who will buy Enzo Fernandez for more than half what you paid for him, same with Caicedo. Your owners were like a kid in a candy store, and you will spend the next four or five years trying to negotaite your way out of the mess or take a massive financial hit. You're just lucky that you're not in Spain where the regulator actually has some teeth rather than in England where you can just pretend your women's team is worth £150 million or sell a hotel to yourself for 5 times the actual value.

Are Chelsea planning to sell Caicedo? As for Fernandez again not so sure he is for sale although just in the last few days it’s being reported he is on Reals radar.
The owners mistake was spending big on established players over the age of 25 who buy and large failed to deliver. Players like Sterling , Koulibaliy and PEA.
You talk about Spanish regulators how did that go with Real selling land or what about Barcas levers ?
As for the sell of hotels to BlueCo you must have missed the point that transaction was subject to a fair value assessment

 

[hallamblue]

Are Chelsea planning to sell Caicedo? As for Fernandez again not so sure he is for sale although just in the last few days it’s being reported he is on Reals radar.
The owners mistake was spending big on established players over the age of 25 who buy and large failed to deliver. Players like Sterling , Koulibaliy and PEA.
You talk about Spanish regulators how did that go with Real selling land or what about Barcas levers ?
As for the sell of hotels to BlueCo you must have missed the point that transaction was subject to a fair value assessment

Real's land deal was done by the Madrid City Council. Barcelona have consistently struggled with the regulator and haven't been able to play players that they've bought. Not really the point as to whether you want to sell some of the players you've overpaid for, which is all of them apart from Cole Palmer. The point is their value is way less than what you paid.

 

[WestStandLower]

Real's land deal was done by the Madrid City Council. Barcelona have consistently struggled with the regulator and haven't been able to play players that they've bought. Not really the point as to whether you want to sell some of the players you've overpaid for, which is all of them apart from Cole Palmer. The point is their value is way less than what you paid.

Round in circles we go.

Of course Chelsea have paid top prices but can’t that accusation be applied to just about every club ?

As things stand since the new owners shipped up their nett spend is circa £600 million . Of course some of their fees make you gulp but you are way off when you suggest that all our players save Palmer are worth less than was paid for them.

 

[PeregrineT]

Then what’s the point? I don’t see the point in looking to get a player whose whole thing is ‘massive upside’ if you’re only going to get them for 4 months, them having not played first team (or any premier league football) in ages??

Because we can slowwwwly decimate Chelsea, by loaning out their players and then breaking them

 

[Bryan+]

Going to Dortmund

 

[Tommy Chong]

Going to Dortmund

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Good... So we're not getting him?

Does anyone else hear Chumbawamba's Tubthumbing song in their head when they try pronounce his name?
Or is that just me?

 

[Bryan+]

Good... So we're not getting him?

Does anyone else hear Chumbawamba's Tubthumbing song in their head when they try pronounce his name?
Or is that just me?

Just you mate