Match Thread Burnley V Everton preview thread/match day thread

[ToffeeTim]

It was a rubbish result and we move on. But seriously anyone trying to gloss over the result by saying we played well needs a shake. It was Burnley. I'm not arsed in the slightest about how we played it's a game we should be winning end of. It's not the end of the world and no need for panic but call a spade a spade. It was a rubbish result and we should have won.

 

[Khalekan]

If you thought Everton were going to continue in second place given where we have come from when I think you were being unrealistic. Indeed to complain about being 6th after 25% of the games is being disengenerous, no matter who we have played.

Oh it matters a great deal which teams we have played.

Taking one point from three games against Bournemouth, Palace and Burnley is hugely disappointing, no matter where we have "come from".

And no amount to spin will alter that fact.

BTW.......I don't know why you accuse me of being "disingenuous".

That is a very pejorative term meaning a fellow is lacking in sincerity or that he is downright untruthful.

And whilst you have every right to disagree with my opinion, they are offered sincerely and reflect truthfully what I feel.

 

[Caolam]

Oh it matters a great deal which teams we have played.

Taking one point from three games against Bournemouth, Palace and Burnley is hugely disappointing, no matter where we have "come from".

And no amount to spin will alter that fact.

BTW.......I don't know why you accuse me of being "disingenuous".

That is a very pejorative term meaning a fellow is lacking in sincerity or that he is downright untruthful.

And whilst you have every right to disagree with my opinion, they are offered sincerely and reflect truthfully what I feel.

I am sorry for any offence I have caused you.

There is no doubt that 1 point against Bournemouth, Crystal Palace and Burnley is highly disappointing.
My point is that over the last two seasons we average approximately 1.5 points per game, after 9 games this season we have 15 points from 9 games, if we keep this up We will end up with 61 points. That would put us in 6/7/8, that is an improvement. I am hoping for a good next transfer window to improve the squad and the players to get more used to Koeman which might mean we improve as we go on. 6/7 would do me as a first year of the post Martinez era.

 

[Dadsonfootball]

By the way, due to not having any way of getting proper tix, I 'wrong-ended' at this match. I'm glad I went, even though we lost. But it was frustrating as hell not being able to freak out when Bolasie scored. Had my 9 year old with me so didn't want any trouble. I could see how things could get a bit dicey if found out. Anyone have any stories?

 

[Khalekan]

I am sorry for any offence I have caused you.

There is no doubt that 1 point against Bournemouth, Crystal Palace and Burnley is highly disappointing.
My point is that over the last two seasons we average approximately 1.5 points per game, after 9 games this season we have 15 points from 9 games, if we keep this up We will end up with 61 points. That would put us in 6/7/8, that is an improvement. I am hoping for a good next transfer window to improve the squad and the players to get more used to Koeman which might mean we improve as we go on. 6/7 would do me as a first year of the post Martinez era.

No worries, Caolam

 

[ToffeeTim]

Seeing people defending this embarassing loss shows how small time we've got. It was a shocking result and we need to draw a line under so it becomes an anomaly. Our last 4 games we've got 2 points. That's pathetic. We need a win at the weekend.

 

[AndyC]

If you thought Everton were going to continue in second place given where we have come from when I think you were being unrealistic. Indeed to complain about being 6th after 25% of the games is being disengenerous, no matter who we have played.
I want Everton to be challenging at the very top as much as anyone on here, do I think we will be in the final shake, no I don't. I do believe we are getting better but we have a way to go.

It isn't so much about still being in second place and being unrealistic, I think what @Khalekan was trying to express, and which I tend to agree, is the rather disturbing way that our results and form have dropped off after an encouraging start.

If you really wanted to be brutal about it... we played a good 60-65 minutes against Spurs before running out of gas; RK made highly influential changes (quickly) against both West Brom and Sunderland that secured valuable wins; we were lucky with an in-off-the-keepers-head penalty against a woeful Stoke and we bludgeoned a Boro team that had little self-belief at that time.

To counter that, we naused up against Norwich, Bournemouth and Burnley, and rode our luck certainly at City and to some extent against Palace.

We need to get back to winning ways BIGTIME against West Ham on Sunday to arrest a slightly concerning slide in results, and indeed performance.

 

[Ashtonian]

After five games we were sitting in second place, one point behind the league leaders.

At that stage, I would suggest very few of us would have settled for sitting in 6th place, five points behind the leaders after nine games.

Especially given the opposition we were facing in three of those four further games.

It is not where we are on October 24th......it is the manner we have arrived here given where we were sitting on September 17th.

That has got to be a big disappointment given the logjam at the top

It certainly is to me.

just that bit mate, i would. Or at least i would not think that being second was a realistic position for us. More so that it was widely regarded that we had not moved up a gear in the wins at the start of the season. Now the worry is that we never moved up that gear because the players aren't good enough to. I said it the other day in here, right now we are repeating the same problems as last season, albiet for different reasons. But winning against poor teams and struggling against any team who gives us a game, granted we threw results away last year but this year we are coming across as a little, well, crap. There is so much we got wrong in the window and it really has hit us hard only a month after it closed, all the players we needed for 2 years who still haven't turned up are really hurting us now.

 

[Khalekan]

By the way, due to not having any way of getting proper tix, I 'wrong-ended' at this match. I'm glad I went, even though we lost. But it was frustrating as hell not being able to freak out when Bolasie scored. Had my 9 year old with me so didn't want any trouble. I could see how things could get a bit dicey if found out. Anyone have any stories?

Spurs away in 1998.

I kept quiet and sat on my hands for half an hour but when Mick Madar scored I couldn't control myself

A bloke behind me threatened to "knife" me.

And at half time the stewards came over and said they were ejecting me from the ground for my own "good" as the natives were proper restless over my presence.

I managed to sweet talk them on the way out and they found me a seat at the back of some sort of children's section and warned me to keep my lips zipped if we scored again

 

[Dadsonfootball]

Spurs away in 1998.

I kept quiet and sat on my hands for half an hour but when Mick Madar scored I couldn't control myself

A bloke behind me threatened to "knife" me.

And at half time the stewards came over and said they were ejecting me from the ground for my own "good" as the natives were proper restless over my presence.

I managed to sweet talk them on the way out and they found me a seat at the back of some sort of children's section and warned me to keep my lips zipped if we scored again

Yikes! Pretty intense stuff.

 

[Khalekan]

Yikes! Pretty intense stuff.

it sure was

 

[Caolam]

It isn't so much about still being in second place and being unrealistic, I think what @Khalekan was trying to express, and which I tend to agree, is the rather disturbing way that our results and form have dropped off after an encouraging start.

If you really wanted to be brutal about it... we played a good 60-65 minutes against Spurs before running out of gas; RK made highly influential changes (quickly) against both West Brom and Sunderland that secured valuable wins; we were lucky with an in-off-the-keepers-head penalty against a woeful Stoke and we bludgeoned a Boro team that had little self-belief at that time.

To counter that, we naused up against Norwich, Bournemouth and Burnley, and rode our luck certainly at City and to some extent against Palace.

We need to get back to winning ways BIGTIME against West Ham on Sunday to arrest a slightly concerning slide in results, and indeed performance.

I am glossing over the last few results. I think a dip was inevitable after the good start we made. Four league wins from 9 games isn't bad. We have a difficult time ahead, a win against West Ham and five wins from 10 games is as good as we realistically could have hoped for, particularly as we didn't bring in the type of players we had hoped for.
A defeat and we will all start to be concerned.