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Bryan+ said:
They sanctioned the 57 year old Mike Tyson - who himself said he was at deaths door only months earlier, this was signed before the ink was dry on the contract
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That was an exhibition fight. No losers, just massive paydays. This is supposedly a properly sanctioned fight. Proper rules, proper gloves. Let’s see how it plays out.

As has been said before, if it’s a clean fight Joshua ends it incredibly quickly.
 
Wizard said:
That was an exhibition fight. No losers, just massive paydays. This is supposedly a properly sanctioned fight. Proper rules, proper gloves. Let’s see how it plays out.

As has been said before, if it’s a clean fight Joshua ends it incredibly quickly.
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I’ve heard whispers that AJ is donating his entire agreed ($52m). Whispers, mind. Nothing else and I’m an amateur, a few lads I know are well more versed with the industry than me.
 

widnesblue said:
To be fair, I was only joking about it because of the outrage of people regarding the weight been set at 245lbs for Joshua.

Also to be fair, fair play to Jake Paul for not ducking Joshua unlike Wilder and Fury.
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Fury went to court to try and get out of Wilder 3 to fight Joshua. And Joshua's team demanded £50m to fight Wilder, and when they got offered £50m they claimed the people that put on Mayweather v Pacman didn't have the funds. It's obviously Matchroom and the hangers on of Joshua that didn't want them fights Joshua.

Hearn loves to boast about offers he's made that have been rejected (he even did a press conference with a written out cheque for Frampton), why has he never made an offer to Fury or Wilder?

He got Wilder over for the Klitsko fight I think and wouldn't let him in the ring after it, went quite after Wlad hurt him.
 
Roger Milla said:
Fury went to court to try and get out of Wilder 3 to fight Joshua. And Joshua's team demanded £50m to fight Wilder, and when they got offered £50m they claimed the people that put on Mayweather v Pacman didn't have the funds. It's obviously Matchroom and the hangers on of Joshua that didn't want them fights Joshua.

Hearn loves to boast about offers he's made that have been rejected (he even did a press conference with a written out cheque for Frampton), why has he never made an offer to Fury or Wilder?

He got Wilder over for the Klitsko fight I think and wouldn't let him in the ring after it, went quite after Wlad hurt him.
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That’s absolute nonsense and you know it.

Wilder has admitted that he took the Fury fight over Joshua despite there been a “£50m offer” that was never received in an escrow account. Wilder played a blinder in using Joshua’s name to raise his profile. For getting Wilder over for the Klitschko fight, again that’s lies. Wilder was working for Sky that night on the co comms along with Bellew. It was pointless getting Wilder in the ring after that fight, because he had a rematch clause in the contract for the Klitschko fight. Wilder getting in the ring would have been pointless and pretty sure Wilder getting in the ring was a different fight. Which would have made sense but the £50m was never a serious offer where they received any payment in an escrow account to show funds. A fight of that scale, the is always money put in an escow before contracts are signed to show that they have funds. Just simple business when dealing with that kind of money.

I agree on the Fury vs Joshua over the court case which was a shame. Fury had the chance to fight Joshua at Wembley. Fury demanded loads of stuff, Joshua agreed. The fight was close to been signed, fury gave a 24 hour deadline, he started moving goalposts, he fought Chisora instead. This is documented on his Netflix documentary. Fury’s team was furious with him. George Warren and Eddie Hearn was close to it, fury played a blinder in putting the blame on Joshua cos the fight with Chisora was already 99% done. Adam Catterall got into it with the Fury’s over it because he called it out.

These aren’t opinions, these are stuff that are out there.

I understand that you have a dislike of Hearn, I understand it but don’t put narratives up. All those teams should have came together to make it. I don’t like that Turki geezer but they needed him in boxing at that time because it would have got done. It was on all of them but can’t just put the blend on one team. They was all at fault.
 
Do you really believe Joshua - Fury will happen.

I just don't believe it ever will. If it was going to happen, it would have.

Too much talk, neither could live with the loss. And the more its talked about, it keeps their names in the media.
 
widnesblue said:
That’s absolute nonsense and you know it.

Wilder has admitted that he took the Fury fight over Joshua despite there been a “£50m offer” that was never received in an escrow account. Wilder played a blinder in using Joshua’s name to raise his profile. For getting Wilder over for the Klitschko fight, again that’s lies. Wilder was working for Sky that night on the co comms along with Bellew. It was pointless getting Wilder in the ring after that fight, because he had a rematch clause in the contract for the Klitschko fight. Wilder getting in the ring would have been pointless and pretty sure Wilder getting in the ring was a different fight. Which would have made sense but the £50m was never a serious offer where they received any payment in an escrow account to show funds. A fight of that scale, the is always money put in an escow before contracts are signed to show that they have funds. Just simple business when dealing with that kind of money.

I agree on the Fury vs Joshua over the court case which was a shame. Fury had the chance to fight Joshua at Wembley. Fury demanded loads of stuff, Joshua agreed. The fight was close to been signed, fury gave a 24 hour deadline, he started moving goalposts, he fought Chisora instead. This is documented on his Netflix documentary. Fury’s team was furious with him. George Warren and Eddie Hearn was close to it, fury played a blinder in putting the blame on Joshua cos the fight with Chisora was already 99% done. Adam Catterall got into it with the Fury’s over it because he called it out.

These aren’t opinions, these are stuff that are out there.

I understand that you have a dislike of Hearn, I understand it but don’t put narratives up. All those teams should have came together to make it. I don’t like that Turki geezer but they needed him in boxing at that time because it would have got done. It was on all of them but can’t just put the blend on one team. They was all at fault.
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Hearn dismissed the offer immediately and didn't even have further talks to request funds are moved in to escrow. How do you think it works, Wilder's team make an offer and immediately put it in to escrow? Instead of holding talks, he'd do about 50 YT interviews a week to throw insults at Wilder's team. And don't be so naïve to think Wilder was coming over just to do comms when a fight between them was looking like it was getting built

So Joshua agreed, but the fight didn't happen because after he agreed, Fury gave a deadline? Makes loads of sense that one. If Fury had rejected it, Hearn would never shut up about it. It would be like the Quigg Frampton one, and the current Boots Ortiz crap he won't shut up about at present, but it would have been on steroids. He's at it all the time, but not to Fury?

I don't like any promoter, Eubank Jr is right, they're all scumbags. But it's irrelevant. Joshua isn't the boogeyman, he never was the boxer Matchroom and Sky told us he was. Anyone with half a brain could see that. I don't believe it's a coincidence that there's been 4 top boxers in this era and Fury has had 5 fights against 2 of them voluntarily, and Joshua has only fought one that he was mandated to fight, and his promoter spoke about how he may vacate the belt instead of facing him. Wilder went to Russia to fight Povetkin for relative peanuts, but if we're to believe Matchroom propaganda he was too scared to fight Joshua for the bag :lol:

For the record, I believe for years neither have wanted the fight until their final pay day because it will always be there for them. I think Fury has felt that way since he started making mega money. There's been other money on the table for them both to pick up before they can rob the public of what's left when they face each other.
 

Swartzy said:
Do you really believe Joshua - Fury will happen.

I just don't believe it ever will. If it was going to happen, it would have.

Too much talk, neither could live with the loss. And the more its talked about, it keeps their names in the media.
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I believe it will, too much money for it not too. But they're both happy to take crap fights for big money, and when it's dried up they will probably fight.
 
Roger Milla said:
Hearn dismissed the offer immediately and didn't even have further talks to request funds are moved in to escrow. How do you think it works, Wilder's team make an offer and immediately put it in to escrow? Instead of holding talks, he'd do about 50 YT interviews a week to throw insults at Wilder's team. And don't be so naïve to think Wilder was coming over just to do comms when a fight between them was looking like it was getting built

So Joshua agreed, but the fight didn't happen because after he agreed, Fury gave a deadline? Makes loads of sense that one. If Fury had rejected it, Hearn would never shut up about it. It would be like the Quigg Frampton one, and the current Boots Ortiz crap he won't shut up about at present, but it would have been on steroids. He's at it all the time, but not to Fury?

I don't like any promoter, Eubank Jr is right, they're all scumbags. But it's irrelevant. Joshua isn't the boogeyman, he never was the boxer Matchroom and Sky told us he was. Anyone with half a brain could see that. I don't believe it's a coincidence that there's been 4 top boxers in this era and Fury has had 5 fights against 2 of them voluntarily, and Joshua has only fought one that he was mandated to fight, and his promoter spoke about how he may vacate the belt instead of facing him. Wilder went to Russia to fight Povetkin for relative peanuts, but if we're to believe Matchroom propaganda he was too scared to fight Joshua for the bag :lol:

For the record, I believe for years neither have wanted the fight until their final pay day because it will always be there for them. I think Fury has felt that way since he started making mega money. There's been other money on the table for them both to pick up before they can rob the public of what's left when they face each other.
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Go back and watch some interviews from Wilders team, especially Shelley Finkle, he admitted no offer was made. But they put a narrative out that the was and Joshua’s team wouldn’t entertain it. It all came out after the first or second fight between Wilder and Fury. Wilder done an interview or a social media post about Fury basically saying he didn’t pursue the Joshua fight because of the Fury fight. Anyone with a clue about Boxing could see what Wilder and his team were doing with Joshua. They was using his name to raise his profile because Wilder couldn’t sell out venues in his own city, was giving tickets away. It backfired because when he fought Fury in the first fight, in the eyes of the public he lost and the big money fight with Joshua disappeared cos he was stuck in the Fury contract, suppose it worked out cos he made huge money out of the fights.

Fury 100% give a 24 hour deadline for Joshua to fight him. He was doing a countdown to the second of a 5pm deadline. He was posting it on his social media. Again go back and look at it. The Warrens and Hearn both come out and said it was very close, then Fury pulled the plug because the contract wasn’t signed by a certain time. This is all out there and known. Hearn gave interviews about it. Fury was already talking about fighting Chisora for the third time, it was announced shortly after it. Fury wanted 70/30 in his favour, Joshua agreed. Fury pulled the plug and therefore ducked it. This is all documented, go back and watch. This was also the first time people started turning off on Fury with all his BS. Real boxing fans know all about his antics from the failed drug tests to the fake retirements.

Wilder was getting a career high payday of £5m to fight Povetkin. The fight never happened because Povetkin failed a drug test. It had to be in Russia cos Wilder wasn’t a draw in America. Like I mentioned earlier, he had a fight in his hometown and was giving tickets away. He was badly promoted but also a time when the division was practically dead and had no profile. Fights in Europe, especially heavyweights were getting massive crowds. I went a Klitschko fight in Hamburg, the imtech was completely sold out. He was fighting Marius Wach, it was a terrible fight but never been to a fight that people were so invested in. It was crazy.

I agree, all promoters/tv networks are dirty but also understand the narratives that are put out there to make there fighters not look weak and for them to make money. It’s annoying and insulting but people buy into these narratives. People believe the hype and it makes money. Like you said about the Boots vs Ortiz fight, they don’t know when to pull the trigger and milk it for far to long. The fight ends up been made but at the wrong time and it’s a common thing in boxing. They never make the fights at the right time and always make them once it’s past people’s interest. It’s why boxing loses fans and can’t get people invested.

You could be right about them both wanting it later on in their career. Sadly as boxing fans we miss out on a fight that’s past its sell by date but fair play to the fighters for making give money. Good on them.
 
widnesblue said:
Go back and watch some interviews from Wilders team, especially Shelley Finkle, he admitted no offer was made. But they put a narrative out that the was and Joshua’s team wouldn’t entertain it. It all came out after the first or second fight between Wilder and Fury. Wilder done an interview or a social media post about Fury basically saying he didn’t pursue the Joshua fight because of the Fury fight. Anyone with a clue about Boxing could see what Wilder and his team were doing with Joshua. They was using his name to raise his profile because Wilder couldn’t sell out venues in his own city, was giving tickets away. It backfired because when he fought Fury in the first fight, in the eyes of the public he lost and the big money fight with Joshua disappeared cos he was stuck in the Fury contract, suppose it worked out cos he made huge money out of the fights.

Fury 100% give a 24 hour deadline for Joshua to fight him. He was doing a countdown to the second of a 5pm deadline. He was posting it on his social media. Again go back and look at it. The Warrens and Hearn both come out and said it was very close, then Fury pulled the plug because the contract wasn’t signed by a certain time. This is all out there and known. Hearn gave interviews about it. Fury was already talking about fighting Chisora for the third time, it was announced shortly after it. Fury wanted 70/30 in his favour, Joshua agreed. Fury pulled the plug and therefore ducked it. This is all documented, go back and watch. This was also the first time people started turning off on Fury with all his BS. Real boxing fans know all about his antics from the failed drug tests to the fake retirements.

Wilder was getting a career high payday of £5m to fight Povetkin. The fight never happened because Povetkin failed a drug test. It had to be in Russia cos Wilder wasn’t a draw in America. Like I mentioned earlier, he had a fight in his hometown and was giving tickets away. He was badly promoted but also a time when the division was practically dead and had no profile. Fights in Europe, especially heavyweights were getting massive crowds. I went a Klitschko fight in Hamburg, the imtech was completely sold out. He was fighting Marius Wach, it was a terrible fight but never been to a fight that people were so invested in. It was crazy.

I agree, all promoters/tv networks are dirty but also understand the narratives that are put out there to make there fighters not look weak and for them to make money. It’s annoying and insulting but people buy into these narratives. People believe the hype and it makes money. Like you said about the Boots vs Ortiz fight, they don’t know when to pull the trigger and milk it for far to long. The fight ends up been made but at the wrong time and it’s a common thing in boxing. They never make the fights at the right time and always make them once it’s past people’s interest. It’s why boxing loses fans and can’t get people invested.

You could be right about them both wanting it later on in their career. Sadly as boxing fans we miss out on a fight that’s past its sell by date but fair play to the fighters for making give money. Good on them.
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Sorry mate, I come on here during work and scan over bits so I'm only replying to a few bits. And I'm pretty sure we've done all this in the past anyway.

I think you're being deliberately obtuse regarding Wilder and Povetkin. Why it was taking place in Moscow and why it didn't happy are bizarre comments to make because they're irrelevant to the point i clearly made. I think you're just trying to muddy the waters. And it was less than £3.5m Wilder would have got. Relative peanuts comparing to fighting Joshua who he apparently ducked, no?

The same Shelly Finkel Hearn used to call Shelley 90 times an interview in 60 interviews a week to deliberately sour relations?

If no offer was made, why was Joshua quoted saying "let's roll the dice" in reply to one? Multiple sources in the media quote Hearn in confirming the offer was made. Why did Hearn repeatedly confirm an offer was made?

I think you're mistaken over Shelly Finkel saying no offer was made. A quick google search got me the following quotes from him :-

“Joshua said on TV that I will fight him next, but he’s not fighting us next. He also said, ‘I swear if he offers me $50m, I’ll take the fight tomorrow.’

“Well, we got him the $50m and he still didn’t take it,” pointed out Finkel."

“In fact, they sent us an offer which is a flat-fee of $15m with a rematch clause, which we accepted, and then a date of September 15th at Wembley, which they knew was the date for Canelo. So, they never had the intention of doing it. How can you go the same day as Canelo?”
 

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