blue union meeting.

[Elong]

Meh.

They try to make ignorant people open their eyes to incompetent people running things very badly. Whilst also now suggesting solutions, something their opposition have long demanded. It's a very tough on-going battle, evidently.

You don't make it easy for supporters to jump on board when you call fellow blues "ignorant". Some people just disagree with your way of doing things.

It's very "our way or the highway" with the BU, they have some valid points but the moment you disagree with a single statement you're not a proper blue and a Kenwright lover. Very hard to work with a group with their views so set in concrete.

 

[EFCPaul]

With respect mate it is this type of response which makes it difficult for many to offer support to BU.

Surely BU should be doing everything in its power to gather support rather than ridiculing the very people whose support you need.

So if you stopped the us and them attitude with fellow supporters you might find it easier to start communicating your views of the Board and most importantly your plans to help bring about change.

Every Evertonian wants to see the club improve, be stronger, more successful etc etc - the fact that BU has difficulty in gaining the support of the majority says more about how BU have acted and communicated than it does about the bulk of Everton's support.

You have to realise how incredibly frustrating it is though, the information about the club's shoddy business plan and constant failures regarding moving to a new stadium have been public knowledge for YEARS now. It seems like every now and then the issue seems to come to the forefront of supporter's thinking, as evidenced by the current threads talking about in this forum, and then after a while seems to die away again and people stop caring. People should care about this, it's vital to the long-term direction our club goes in.

Lots of people who say they support the BU are fools who just blindly hate Kenwright, I realised that after attending a few of their meetings. Lots of others though are genuine supporters who've taken the time and effort to look into the club's dealings and have realised just how big our problems are. When these supporters try to inform fellow supporters who don't know about how the people in positions of power are failing the club they're mostly just hounded and laughed it, some of sarcastic responses in this thread show this. This isn't a laughing matter, it should be a serious topic that all supporters should be thinking about and taking the time to have a look at and deciding how they really feel.

This attitude that many supporters seem to have of "I just want to support the team of a weekend and not think about any of the off the field stuff" just isn't a constructive mindset anymore because football is a business now and many supporters need to accept this and move with the times. If we don't then how can we ever expect the club itself too? And if the club itself doesn't, then Jesus where are we going to end-up long-term?

 

[Jacko93]

Im no expert, but ive heard quotes are around 200m for a new stadia.

The foundations under Goodison are 120? years old, the plumbing, every single brick, no way does most of it even get past planning, they seem to think it could be done in phases while keeping the ground open, its ok if your just sticking a tier on say The Park End, but anywhere else and im telling ya, it cant be done. It will cost a lot more than 200m.

Look if these lids think it can be done, fair play, but for all the plans, I havent seen a single figure about how much it will cost.

You can't even just stick a tier on the PE.

 

[BoysInBlue]

Thanks mate.

And you wonder why people don't get interested in them.

Nah, I don't wonder that at all. I get sad that people are so ignorant and unwilling to give fellow Evertonians a chance though. So quick to mock and sneer, with no positive contributions. Seemingly intent on keeping the status quo, occasionally shrugging their shoulders and having a moan, but not being very visionary about things and not having any will power to stand up and say that something isn't good enough and should be changed. If you care, there's no shame in wanting the best and pushing for the best. If you care, but can't be bothered to suggest how things can be better, than that's a very sad state of affairs.

 

[By god I'm blue]

In my opinion, there are two types of fan who question the motives of either the BU or KEIOC.

1. the type of fan who does not give a toss about off field matters and is oblivious to anything apart from what occurs on the pitch.

2. The sneering pro board wally, who hates the fact that somebody is trying to do something positive and attacks them in any way possible out of pure bitterness.

 

[The Esk]

You have to realise how incredibly frustrating it is though, the information about the club's shoddy business plan and constant failures regarding moving to a new stadium have been public knowledge for YEARS now. It seems like every now and then the issue seems to come to the forefront of supporter's thinking, as evidenced by the current threads talking about in this forum, and then after a while seems to die away again and people stop caring. People should care about this, it's vital to the long-term direction our club goes in.

Lots of people who say they support the BU are fools who just blindly hate Kenwright, I realised that after attending a few of their meetings. Lots of others though are genuine supporters who've taken the time and effort to look into the club's dealings and have realised just how big our problems are. When these supporters try to inform fellow supporters who don't know about how the people in positions of power are failing the club they're mostly just hounded and laughed it, some of sarcastic responses in this thread show this. This isn't a laughing matter, it should be a serious topic that all supporters should be thinking about and taking the time to have a look at and deciding how they really feel.

This attitude that many supporters seem to have of "I just want to support the team of a weekend and not think about any of the off the field stuff" just isn't a constructive mindset anymore because football is a business now and many supporters need to accept this and move with the times. If we don't then how can we ever expect the club itself too? And if the club itself doesn't, then Jesus where are we going to end-up long-term?

I think that's a fair response mate.

That being the case BU needs proper PR advice because what you have just said eloquently in your post is not what most people, myself included, believe BU to be.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

The Board never said it wasnt possible, they simply said it wasnt affordable.

And they are 100% correct.

The board also said Goodison would struggle to continue getting safety certificates etc.

 

[Groucho]

The 'splitting opinion' is extremely unfair when they're actually trying to come up with solutions.

It's not unfair, I'm not commenting on their intentions. I'm sure they'd like all Evertonians behind them.

You misunderstand me - I'm not saying they actively seek to split opinion, that's just what happens in the way folk interpret things that either BU or the board do.

Fact is, some blues love the BU and some don't. How that equates to me being 'unfair', I don't know - it's splitting opinions.

 

[Elong]

In my opinion, there are two types of fan who question the motives of either the BU or KEIOC.

1. the type of fan who does not give a toss about off field matters and is oblivious to anything apart from what occurs on the pitch.

2. The sneering pro board wally, who hates the fact that somebody is trying to do something positive and attacks them in any way possible out of pure bitterness.

Wrong, there's fan 3. Knows what's going on off the field, wants change, but in a manner that comes across as knowledgeable, intelligent, negotiable and accepting of other views.

The fact that you only have one way or the highway even in categorising fans simply proves the point.

 

[The Equaliser]

Im no expert, but ive heard quotes are around 200m for a new stadia.

The foundations under Goodison are 120? years old, the plumbing, every single brick, no way does most of it even get past planning, they seem to think it could be done in phases while keeping the ground open, its ok if your just sticking a tier on say The Park End, but anywhere else and im telling ya, it cant be done. It will cost a lot more than 200m.

Look if these lids think it can be done, fair play, but for all the plans, I havent seen a single figure about how much it will cost.

We were told 10 years ago that redeveloping Goodison would be more expensive than building a new stadium. Now we are being told it can be done for a relatively mere £100m. No wonder people are sceptical.

 

[BoysInBlue]

Im no expert, but ive heard quotes are around 200m for a new stadia.

The foundations under Goodison are 120? years old, the plumbing, every single brick, no way does most of it even get past planning, they seem to think it could be done in phases while keeping the ground open, its ok if your just sticking a tier on say The Park End, but anywhere else and im telling ya, it cant be done. It will cost a lot more than 200m.

Look if these lids think it can be done, fair play, but for all the plans, I havent seen a single figure about how much it will cost.

The club have 2 options.

1 Move to a new stadium.
2 Stay where they are and rebuild it.

They've failed 3 times to do option 1.

So the only option left is option 2.

There is no option 3 'Stay where we are and do nothing'.

Staying where we are and doing nothing is basically managed decline, watching our mid-table rivals move into 50000 and 60000 seater stadiums (Liverpool, Spurs and West Ham) over the next 5 years, which will eventually lead to us slipping down the league and eventually, sooner or later, lead to relegation, as we get overtaken by more and more teams.

So - option 1 or 2.... if this board can't deliver either, then they need to sell the club and let someone else run it. It's as simple as that.

 

[Groucho]

Wrong, there's fan 3. Knows what's going on off the field, wants change, but in a manner that comes across as knowledgeable, intelligent, negotiable and accepting of other views.

The fact that you only have one way or the highway even in categorising fans simply proves the point.

I agree.

 

[By god I'm blue]

Wrong, there's fan 3. Knows what's going on off the field, wants change, but in a manner that comes across as knowledgeable, intelligent, negotiable and accepting of other views.

The fact that you only have one way or the highway even in categorising fans simply proves the point.

But I said that questions their motives.

How anybody could even think they want nothing but the best options for this football club when they do what they do in their own times and at their own expense.

 

[Chang Elephant]

Lots of people who say they support the BU are fools who just blindly hate Kenwright

Why are you assuming their "hate" is blind ? There's a lot to dislike about this board's track record for most reasoned observers.

 

[Chang Elephant]

I would like to see Kenwright's head flushed down a toilet for perfectly sound financial reasons