Billy Bingham November 95

[Bluerover]

I had heard some suggestions but this is very disturbing.

Niall Quinn now alleging that Bingham was encouraging the crowd that night as they chanted "trick or treat". Sorry but no excuse for that for anyone let alone a former player and manager of this wonderful club to do this regarding the lives of the seven innocent people who were massacred at Greysteel.

I am disgusted if this is true.

The article is on Independent. Ie. I am using phone so can't post exact link but very easy to find on a search.

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

I had heard some suggestions but this is very disturbing.

Niall Quinn now alleging that Bingham was encouraging the crowd that night as they chanted "trick or treat". Sorry but no excuse for that for anyone let alone a former player and manager of this wonderful club to do this regarding the lives of the seven innocent people who were massacred at Greysteel.

I am disgusted if this is true.

The article is on Independent. Ie. I am using phone so can't post exact link but very easy to find on a search.

There was an excellent programme aired on RTE last night on the history of the IFA and FAI and their relationship since partition.

There were some memorable highlights including footage of the Ireland XI which included players from both parts of the island who played in Shamrock Rovers kits in Dublin against the greatest ever Brazil team in 1973 who were the world champions. Seeing big Derek Dougan playing in a Rovers shirt was quite something to behold.

Included the programme was the story of that famous night in '93 at Windsor Park. Quinny told the story of how the players were subject to mock assassinations from children holding wooden rifles as their coach arrived at the ground, all organised by loyalist paramilitaries. He related how the NI supporters were singing 'trick or treat' chants at the Republic's players, remembering how this game took place very shortly after the Shankhill bomb and Greysteel massacres. Footage was shown of Bingham encouraging the crowd to continue their chanting. That he did this has been remembered for a long time since, and is the reason this man has zero respect from Ireland fans. It is unfortunate that he was ever the manager of Everton Football Club.

This was possibly the lowest point ever in relations between the 2 associations. Thankfully Alan McLoughlin's goal meant that we had the last laugh and qualified for the World Cup. Hopefully things will never be as bad again and the two associations can find a way of uniting so that we can have the all-Ireland league and national football team that the fans deserve.

 

[Armaghtoffee]

I had heard some suggestions but this is very disturbing.

Niall Quinn now alleging that Bingham was encouraging the crowd that night as they chanted "trick or treat". Sorry but no excuse for that for anyone let alone a former player and manager of this wonderful club to do this regarding the lives of the seven innocent people who were massacred at Greysteel.

I am disgusted if this is true.

The article is on Independent. Ie. I am using phone so can't post exact link but very easy to find on a search.

It is unfortunately true and post game Charlton refused to shake his hand (he subsequently said he regretted this).

That’s probably the most infamous Irish game ever.

 

[Alanbileysfeathercut]

 

[dublinbluenose]

There was an excellent programme aired on RTE last night on the history of the IFA and FAI and their relationship since partition.

There were some memorable highlights including footage of the Ireland XI which included players from both parts of the island who played in Shamrock Rovers kits in Dublin against the greatest ever Brazil team in 1973 who were the world champions. Seeing big Derek Dougan playing in a Rovers shirt was quite something to behold.

Included the programme was the story of that famous night in '93 at Windsor Park. Quinny told the story of how the players were subject to mock assassinations from children holding wooden rifles as their coach arrived at the ground, all organised by loyalist paramilitaries. He related how the NI supporters were singing 'trick or treat' chants at the Republic's players, remembering how this game took place very shortly after the Shankhill bomb and Greysteel massacres. Footage was shown of Bingham encouraging the crowd to continue their chanting. That he did this has been remembered for a long time since, and is the reason this man has zero respect from Ireland fans. It is unfortunate that he was ever the manager of Everton Football Club.

This was possibly the lowest point ever in relations between the 2 associations. Thankfully Alan McLoughlin's goal meant that we had the last laugh and qualified for the World Cup. Hopefully things will never be as bad again and the two associations can find a way of uniting so that we can have the all-Ireland league and national football team that the fans deserve.

It was an excellent documentary, a sad indictment of the situation of the time.

 

[NeroCeasar]

Bingham was a disgrace that night as were others. I remember Dowie when he believed the result prevented us qualifying, it's the one mental image I have from that night, the look of delight and hatred intertwined in his face

 

[Bluerover]

It was an excellent documentary, a sad indictment of the situation of the time.

I missed that but hopefully it is on RTE player.

I knew that it was the FAI that broke away from the original IFA. For years players could represent both countries although I think only in friendlies. Eglinton and Farrell were 2 Everton players capped by both. A total of 39 played for both but FIFA stopped it after the 1950 World Cup qualifiers saw the FAI complain that southern born players had played for the North.

 

[dublinbluenose]

I missed that but hopefully it is on RTE player.

I knew that it was the FAI that broke away from the original IFA. For years players could represent both countries although I think only in friendlies. Eglinton and Farrell were 2 Everton players capped by both. A total of 39 played for both but FIFA stopped it after the 1950 World Cup qualifiers saw the FAI complain that southern born players had played for the North.

It's was the Leinster FA initially after putting up with years of bigotry from the IFA. The FAI wasn't formed until years later.

 

[Bluerover]

BTW it was 1993 not 95 as I put in the thread title. Apologies!!

 

[Alanbileysfeathercut]

RTÉ Documentary Details A Century Of A Divided Football Nation | Balls.ie

Tomorrow evening RTÉ will air Division: The Irish Soccer Split - the story of a once-united all-island football team's split and the rivalry that followed.

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[artetas_biggest_fan]

Included the programme was the story of that famous night in '93 at Windsor Park. Quinny told the story of how the players were subject to mock assassinations from children holding wooden rifles as their coach arrived at the ground, all organised by loyalist paramilitaries. He related how the NI supporters were singing 'trick or treat' chants at the Republic's players, remembering how this game took place very shortly after the Shankhill bomb and Greysteel massacres. Footage was shown of Bingham encouraging the crowd to continue their chanting. That he did this has been remembered for a long time since, and is the reason this man has zero respect from Ireland fans. It is unfortunate that he was ever the manager of Everton Football Club.

This was possibly the lowest point ever in relations between the 2 associations. Thankfully Alan McLoughlin's goal meant that we had the last laugh and qualified for the World Cup. Hopefully things will never be as bad again and the two associations can find a way of uniting so that we can have the all-Ireland league and national football team that the fans deserve.

Billy “the bigot” Bingham is a cretin.

Don’t think I’ve ever enjoyed a result more than the night the bigot was devastated when we qualified for the World Cup. A close second was a game I was at. Same location, Windsor park, one year later (Euro ‘96 qualifier), Norn Iron 0 - 4 Republic of Ireland. Having to sit in silence and avoid punching the air as each goal went in was bloody hard. Had I done so though I wouldn’t have got out alive, or at the very least in one piece.

Billy the bigot played a major role in Windsor park being a cauldron of hate for catholics. Neil Lennon was also booed at Windsor Park by Norn Iron fans while wearing a Norn Iron jersey. Another bigot, commentator Jackie Fullerton, tried to gloss over the boos by pretending not to hear any. Lennon should have walked off the field that night.

Liam Brady was also booed at Windsor park in the mid 80s, and this during a testimonial game for George Best. The place was a toxic shithole. Former Linfield manager David Jeffrey to his great credit has done an awful lot of cross community work which has gone some way to making the place more hospitable. It was a very dangerous place to go to if you were catholic (when asked you never told people your real home town for example, would give away your background).

Whe he dies i’ll avoid going to the following game as there is sure be a minutes silence at the ground.

 

[Cork Evertonian]

Billy Bingham was a decent player for Everton.He won a league championship medal in 1963.He was unlucky not to win the league as Everton manager.He signed Bob Latchford and Martin Dobson.He had a fair few catholics in his northern irish side in 1982 as well.I just think he got caught up in the frenzy, that night in Windsor Park.The north was as an absolute powder keg in the early 90's, and i suppose like us all, Billy Bingham was and is a product of his environment.He did grow up in east Belfast, a staunch unionist area.But i still respect Billy Bingham for his contribution to Evertons history, and i don't think he deserves to be demonized over one unfortunate moment of madness.

 

[PhilM]

Billy Bingham was a decent player for Everton.He won a league championship medal in 1963.He was unlucky not to win the league as Everton manager.He signed Bob Latchford and Martin Dobson.He had a fair few catholics in his northern irish side in 1982 as well.I just think he got caught up in the frenzy, that night in Windsor Park.The north was as an absolute powder keg in the early 90's, and i suppose like us all, Billy Bingham was and is a product of his environment.He did grow up in east Belfast, a staunch unionist area.But i still respect Billy Bingham for his contribution to Evertons history, and i don't think he deserves to be demonized over one unfortunate moment of madness.

To be fair, I think it's quite understandable that Bingham faces some (well most) of the criticism he receives for that night as his actions were reprehensible.

However, the world requires compassion and forgiveness, combined with balanced perspectives like your own, if it's ever to become a better place.

 

[Cork Evertonian]

To be fair, I think it's quite understandable that Bingham receives some (well most) of the criticism he receives for that night as his actions were reprehensible.

However, the world requires compassion and forgiveness, combined with balanced perspectives like your own, if it's ever to become a better place.

Binghams actions that night were bang out of order.It's sad because he has done a lot for football.The whole island of Ireland was cheering on his Northern Ireland side in 1982.

 

[Sol]

Recall hoping the North, Scotland and England doing well in the 1986 Mexico world cup. Fairness was only 9 years old at the time.