BAN CLATTENBERG PETITION

Status
Not open for further replies.
REasons why he is biast:

- Went on tour to asia with liverpool
- Got a signed gerrard shirt
- His wife supports liverpool, And liverpool out of 'generosity2 got his wife tickets to the derby. (apparently)
- Gerrard admitted he bums up to referees like poll and clattenberg to get decisions! (his book)
 

My point regarding my reply to Chico was this:

I am not "backing" Clattenberg in any way, shape, or form for his performance last Saturday. He should get a lengthy suspension, no doubt about it.

(By the way, how come no one has mentioned the linesmen as well? I would figure that they'd have some culpability.)

However Monty, I believe that a lifetime ban that this petition is asking for is not only unwarranted, it's is foolhardy to boot and that is why I chose not to sign it. If it had asked for something REASONABLE, like say a month long suspension from refeering in the Premier League, then I'd sign it in a flash.

But to say that someone should be banned for life for the mistakes that they made in a match is just plain stupid and frankly over the top. It also makes us look like we're overreacting to a situation.

Now, if it can be proven that he was on the take, that the match was rigged, or anything to that effect, well then of course he should be banned for life. That really goes without saying.

If we start asking for referees to be banned for life, where does it stop? Who decides what mistakes should just be punished by a suspension, and what mistakes should be punished by a lifetime ban from refereeing?

How many quality referees will be banned for life because of one shocker? Hell, the players can have shockers from time to time, why can't referees? Furthermore, banning a ref for life for having a bad match could have serious consequences in the future. A referee could easily make a call or not make a call knowing that there could be serious consequences if he gets it wrong. So rather than potentially make a mistake with a call, they might overlook an absolutely warranted call, and vice versa. It would be a very bad precedent indeed.

Players get yellow card accumulations before they have to sit out a match. Why can't referees get "poor call or missed call" accumulations and miss a match or two? Just wondering?

I understand passionate Evertonians are upset and frustrated. I know, I'm one of them.

If passionate Evertonians are "enraged" by my opinion, that's their problem, not mine.

But asking for a lifetime ban against a referee who has been for the most part, a consistently good referee just makes no sense at all.

So Bill lets have a close look at what you are saying here, this coming from a guy who sticks up for law and order, guns and death penalty.

We have a man, Clattenberg, who was in charge of the game, on that we are all agreed, it was not the linemen, not the fourth official but Clattenberg. If he had shot say Alan Stubbs, again we are all agreed that he would have to stand trial for murder. A little bit strong maybe but stick with it.

Clattenberg made a series of incomprehensible decisions, not just from my biased perspective but also that of 99% of the media, he even offered to shake the hand of the opposing skipper when he was substituted, not an offence in itself but an obvious indication of favouritism as no such gesture was offred to an Everton player. The final whistle blows and stories emerge about this same official having spent 7 days living and training with Liverpool, he had been given gifts by those same players, remember they are all millionaires and he is a mere official. If this game of ours is to survive then any charge of corruption has to be answered, any mere whiff of FA officials being compromised must be looked at vigorously and not swept under the carpet.

If you charge a man with murder because he is the suspect you don't change that charge to a mere parking offence, stupidity indeed. If a man is suspected in any way of corruption then he is suspended whilst a full and proper investigation is carried out not merely suspended for a month and told don't do it again.

It seems to me that you are saying the petition should read 'will the good old FA please give Mr Clattenberg a smack on the wrist' because in doing so you permit other similar cases to do unpunished. Clattenberg has been a very good official, I said so myself before the game kicked off, don't you think that really does make it more remarkable in these circumstances that he was so bad. Your yellow card analogy is astonishing, this man is not a player, obviously he is the man who controls and influences the events of the game, supposedly in an impartial manner, if he didn't carry out that task through corruption then the charge is most appropriate. (Please note Bill the salient word CHARGED, not found guilty of as you suggest) Incidentally the very fact that the FA have already said that David Moyes will not face any charges of bring the game into disrepute dispite his allegations of corruption says it all, that petition is the correct and only refuge we blues have. Please tell me aside from your suggested one month slap on the wrist what positive action have you taken other than to try and throw a wet blanket on a proactive petition?

Chico, please don't hide behind Bill, you have said all along that the FA won't do anything so I won't either, as Mick says 21 seconds.
 
2009 blues agree that charges should be brough against Clattenberg, a magnificent total from a tiny true blue website(y)
 
My point regarding my reply to Chico was this:

I am not "backing" Clattenberg in any way, shape, or form for his performance last Saturday. He should get a lengthy suspension, no doubt about it.
Now, if it can be proven that he was on the take, that the match was rigged, or anything to that effect, well then of course he should be banned for life. That really goes without saying.

.

Bill, i've taken the liberty of taking a couple of quotes from your post.


I agree 100% with what you say above.

But ~ Certain things happened in that game that were more than unusual.

There needs to be a full open investigation where he has to answer and explain some of the decisions he made.

I cant believe that he was so stupid as to actually accept a signed [Poor language removed] shirt, even if he is above board he must have known that he was compromising himself, this in itself must be illegal and is serious enough on it's own to warrant an investigation and a ban until it's all cleared up.

On it's own, the shirt incident and his tour to Hong Kong raises an eyebrow, but when some of the decisions he made in that game are added as well then it becomes even more sinister.
 
So Bill lets have a close look at what you are saying here, this coming from a guy who sticks up for law and order, guns and death penalty.

We have a man, Clattenberg, who was in charge of the game, on that we are all agreed, it was not the linemen, not the fourth official but Clattenberg. If he had shot say Alan Stubbs, again we are all agreed that he would have to stand trial for murder. A little bit strong maybe but stick with it.

Clattenberg made a series of incomprehensible decisions, not just from my biased perspective but also that of 99% of the media, he even offered to shake the hand of the opposing skipper when he was substituted, not an offence in itself but an obvious indication of favouritism as no such gesture was offred to an Everton player. The final whistle blows and stories emerge about this same official having spent 7 days living and training with Liverpool, he had been given gifts by those same players, remember they are all millionaires and he is a mere official. If this game of ours is to survive then any charge of corruption has to be answered, any mere whiff of FA officials being compromised must be looked at vigorously and not swept under the carpet.

If you charge a man with murder because he is the suspect you don't change that charge to a mere parking offence, stupidity indeed. If a man is suspected in any way of corruption then he is suspended whilst a full and proper investigation is carried out not merely suspended for a month and told don't do it again.

It seems to me that you are saying the petition should read 'will the good old FA please give Mr Clattenberg a smack on the wrist' because in doing so you permit other similar cases to do unpunished. Clattenberg has been a very good official, I said so myself before the game kicked off, don't you think that really does make it more remarkable in these circumstances that he was so bad. Your yellow card analogy is astonishing, this man is not a player, obviously he is the man who controls and influences the events of the game, supposedly in an impartial manner, if he didn't carry out that task through corruption then the charge is most appropriate. (Please note Bill the salient word CHARGED, not found guilty of as you suggest) Incidentally the very fact that the FA have already said that David Moyes will not face any charges of bring the game into disrepute dispite his allegations of corruption says it all, that petition is the correct and only refuge we blues have. Please tell me aside from your suggested one month slap on the wrist what positive action have you taken other than to try and throw a wet blanket on a proactive petition?

Chico, please don't hide behind Bill, you have said all along that the FA won't do anything so I won't either, as Mick says 21 seconds.

I'll go back to the original point of my post and that is that I wouldn't sign a petition to ban him for life from the game. I do not find it remarkable that he had a bad game. EVERY referee in existence has had a bad game. Clattenberg's bad game happened to be in the derby and happened to favor Liverpool. Conspiracy or grounds for a permanent ban from the game? Hardly.

If Clattenberg had travelled to (fill in foreign country here) with (fill in Premier team name here) and then the same result happened, would Evertonians rioting in the streets asking for his head. No way. The fact that it was the derby has inflamed the issue.

If the petition had been for the FA to investigate potential conflicts of interest and/or corruption issues, then I wouldn't have had a problem signing it.

Why a petition to ban Clattenberg for life though? Why?

Do you really really think that guy would jeopardize his bright future as a referee in order to make nice with Liverpool? I highly doubt it.

If he's corrupt, then the FA should investigate him, charge him, and ban him from working any matches ever again.

I find it interesting that you lead in with my usually conservative takes on various subjects. Well one underlying rule we have in our justice system over here is "Innocent until proven guilty." Apparently, that won't be applied here in this case.

So in closing, I'll choose my words very carefully here.

This petition is an over the top reaction by a small minority of Evertonians that will serve no useful purpose other than to make us look like a bunch sore losers. :angry:
 


Bill, i've taken the liberty of taking a couple of quotes from your post.


I agree 100% with what you say above.

But ~ Certain things happened in that game that were more than unusual.

There needs to be a full open investigation where he has to answer and explain some of the decisions he made.

I cant believe that he was so stupid as to actually accept a signed [Poor language removed] shirt, even if he is above board he must have known that he was compromising himself, this in itself must be illegal and is serious enough on it's own to warrant an investigation and a ban until it's all cleared up.

On it's own, the shirt incident and his tour to Hong Kong raises an eyebrow, but when some of the decisions he made in that game are added as well then it becomes even more sinister.

I am in total agreement with you on this.

I will repeat that if he's corrupt, then for the good of the game, he needs to find another line of work.

The FA must look into this. I'm not holding my breath though.

I also agree that a ban until an investigation is completed is warranted as well.
 
The thing is the petition is warranted- there is no doubt about it with all the bits that have gone on behind the scenes and the facts that happend on the pitch. This is no sour grapes- it happened before our eyes.

I dont agree that he should have a permanent ban but maybe a ban for all our games and the shites games as a conflict of interest. Its a case of getting noticed, not being sore losers.
 
Hopefully it will do some thing if it manages to focus the attention of the FA. Notice also the FA have not charged Moyes regardinghis comments. Exactly as I stated on an earlier post the FA are keeping quiet and burying the issue, they dare not do anything which would bring the actions of their no.1 referee back into the spotlight.
 

I don't think he should be banned from reffing at all.....







...if he was restricted to League 1 and League 2 games for the rest of his life.

I understand what Tx Bill is saying; but sometimes one has to exaggerate one's position to make a point, and I think this may be one of those times. Even if we don't think a lifetime ban is justified, perhaps enough voices asking for that will get the seriousness of our concerns across.

Not holding my breath, of course.
 
Well having read through your response Bill, and picking my words equally carefully, yes on this occasion I am a very sore loser and with very good reason. I find it stunning that you act as judge and jury in this matter, what on earth makes you think for one minute that the FA will ban him for life based on that petition, not a cat in hells chance and I've said that all along if you care to read through these threads. What I do say, as mentioned above, is the strongest charge must be demanded by the fans to even ensure that some action is taken by the FA. Why don't you start 'a give Clattenberg a slap on the wrist' petition and see how many sore losers would sign up to that.

I am more than happy with the wording of that petiton, as are the thousands of fellow sore losers (2225 at last count) including a class eight referee

george farr

im a level 8 referee, he is awful and weak. the premier league is suffering because of all these errors. it costs points and all these lost points that should have been points all add up at the end of the season and can be the difference between champions Chelmsford


David Moyes covered himself by having John Barnwell with him when he told Clattenberg some home truths, and I understand that there is more to come out about this but the FA won't pursue it

. See http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/...objectid=20006219&siteid=50061-name_page.html


I am proud we sore losers who live with the gloating vermin have taken this action because we are at least trying to ensure that it doesn't happen again, what about you looking down on us all from your ivory tower. What I do find extraordinary is the very fact that you assume that he could be found guilty as charged hence your reluctance to sign........I know he wont, as do most who have sign the petition but at least we will have been heard, will you?
 
Well having read through your response Bill, and picking my words equally carefully, yes on this occasion I am a very sore loser and with very good reason. I find it stunning that you act as judge and jury in this matter, what on earth makes you think for one minute that the FA will ban him for life based on that petition, not a cat in hells chance and I've said that all along if you care to read through these threads. What I do say, as mentioned above, is the strongest charge must be demanded by the fans to even ensure that some action is taken by the FA. Why don't you start 'a give Clattenberg a slap on the wrist' petition and see how many sore losers would sign up to that.

I am more than happy with the wording of that petiton, as are the thousands of fellow sore losers (2225 at last count) including a class eight referee

george farr

im a level 8 referee, he is awful and weak. the premier league is suffering because of all these errors. it costs points and all these lost points that should have been points all add up at the end of the season and can be the difference between champions Chelmsford


David Moyes covered himself by having John Barnwell with him when he told Clattenberg some home truths, and I understand that there is more to come out about this but the FA won't pursue it

. See http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/...objectid=20006219&siteid=50061-name_page.html


I am proud we sore losers who live with the gloating vermin have taken this action because we are at least trying to ensure that it doesn't happen again, what about you looking down on us all from your ivory tower. What I do find extraordinary is the very fact that you assume that he could be found guilty as charged hence your reluctance to sign........I know he wont, as do most who have sign the petition but at least we will have been heard, will you?
I think there should be an investigation into any underhand dealings i really do.
Like i said before it was not bad refereeing it was deliberate and i agree with monty we should,nt let it lie.
I hate losing but i accept it comes with football but not losing like we lost the derby that imo was underhand and we should pursue justice for as long as we can
 
I think there should be an investigation into any underhand dealings i really do.
Like i said before it was not bad refereeing it was deliberate and i agree with monty we should,nt let it lie.
I hate losing but i accept it comes with football but not losing like we lost the derby that imo was underhand and we should pursue justice for as long as we can

here,here
 

Status
Not open for further replies.

Welcome

Join Grand Old Team to get involved in the Everton discussion. Signing up is quick, easy, and completely free.

Shop

Back
Top