Apart from Heysel...

Tubey · September 6, 2012

... what was the one major thing that prevented Everton kicking on properly from the late 80's into the Premier League era in your opinion?

Even if you disregard Heysel, we quickly disintegrated even in comparison to sides in our own league in the late 80's who were also subject to the same ban. Whilst the actions of those t*ts across the park broke up our fantastic side, surely that can't be the sole factor as to why we didn't recover and sides like Manchester United were able to kick on.

So yeah... what first comes to your mind as an excuse? ^^

Blu Bianco · September 6, 2012

Well obviously selling players like Lineker, Steven and Stevens, etc and not replacing them with anything approaching the same quality didn't help!

Tubey · September 6, 2012

Blu Bianco said:
Well obviously selling players like Lineker, Steven and Stevens, etc and not replacing them with anything approaching the same quality didn't help!

But getting rid of those players comes down to the break up of the side because of the European ban. I'm wondering what allowed Everton to disintegrate completely when we hit the 1990s compared to clubs like United who went from strength to strength. Was it just sheer incompetence?

chicoazul · September 6, 2012

Tubey said:
But getting rid of those players comes down to the break up of the side because of the European ban. I'm wondering what allowed Everton to disintegrate completely when we hit the 1990s compared to clubs like United who went from strength to strength. Was it just sheer incompetence?

Yes mate, look at the ownership of the club, that's where it lies.

Allezfan · September 6, 2012

Tubey said:
But getting rid of those players comes down to the break up of the side because of the European ban. I'm wondering what allowed Everton to disintegrate completely when we hit the 1990s compared to clubs like United who went from strength to strength. Was it just sheer incompetence?

Yes I think so. We just didn't take advantage of the sky money the way Man U in particular did. Wrong managers, wrong board.

blue61 · September 6, 2012

It's not just the players we lost, we lost Howard Kendall too, for me that was the greatest loss at the time, forget the later re-incarnations. I still have a dream that people would be celebrating his longevity like they do for purple nose.

Animal Farm · September 6, 2012

Tubey said:
But getting rid of those players comes down to the break up of the side because of the European ban. I'm wondering what allowed Everton to disintegrate completely when we hit the 1990s compared to clubs like United who went from strength to strength. Was it just sheer incompetence?

I'm still quite young, and therefore my knowledge is limited somewhat. But despite their lack of trophies throughout the 70's and 80's, I think United were always MASSIVE. They also got a top draw manager in Fergie and gave him time to create his own team, and this coincided with the advent of the premier league and some sound business decisions from those in charge at Man U.

Numerous things have gone wrong at Everton. But one of our main failings was not redeveloping our ground (like everyone else did) during the 1990's. For me, the new Park End is a half completed cheapo stand that cost less than Kevin Kilbane. Not putting a second tier on the Park End was a very short sighted, mingebag decision which has cost us millions in lost revenue from executive boxes and increased capacity.

Blu Bianco · September 6, 2012

Carter negotiated the deal, along with representatives from four other big clubs, Arsenal, Manchester United, Liverpool and Spurs. At that time, we were considered one of the big five. From this on its own you can see how much we failed to capitalise.

Spurs, like us, didn't take advantage, probably due to the same reasons.

Divver · September 6, 2012

United were already the global team in terms of the British leagues along with our neighbours and the Sky deal was simply mutually beneficial to them. Pull in a couple of clubs from the South and create the "sky 4" complete with those purely coincidental Super Sundays on the fixture list and we along with the rest were just there to make up the numbers. More exposure for the 4 = more revenue etc etc

eame71 · September 6, 2012

Its all the ****es fault!!!!

peteblue · September 6, 2012

It was Heysel pure and simple. We had a great team and manager, as a result of the ban it all broke up and the manager left as well......

Reidy's Bottle Of Grecian · September 6, 2012

Tubey said:
But getting rid of those players comes down to the break up of the side because of the European ban. I'm wondering what allowed Everton to disintegrate completely when we hit the 1990s compared to clubs like United who went from strength to strength. Was it just sheer incompetence?

Utd were far richer than us even then, by the time the big spending came with the Premier League we were already in a position where we couldn't borrow the amounts needed.
A team that managed to borrow enough was Leeds.

Goat · September 6, 2012

A succession of utter terrible Managers, who built terrible teams, that played terrible football.

noharmdone · September 6, 2012

Animal Farm said:
I'm still quite young, and therefore my knowledge is limited somewhat. But despite their lack of trophies throughout the 70's and 80's, I think United were always MASSIVE. They also got a top draw manager in Fergie and gave him time to create his own team, and this coincided with the advent of the premier league and some sound business decisions from those in charge at Man U.

Numerous things have gone wrong at Everton. But one of our main failings was not redeveloping our ground (like everyone else did) during the 1990's. For me, the new Park End is a half completed cheapo stand that cost less than Kevin Kilbane. Not putting a second tier on the Park End was a very short sighted, mingebag decision which has cost us millions in lost revenue from executive boxes and increased capacity.

When we played the MASSIVE United in the first season of the Premier League, the attendance was 30,000. So some of Uniteds increased future attendances may be due to ground re-development, but never underestimate the total f*cking bandwagon, glory-hunting that goes on in this counrty.
We used to be 'the mersey millionaires' dont ever forget that, we were the 1960's / 1970's big spenders. Even Lineker and Cottee were record transfers ( I think ? ) What goes around comes around, but the myth that United were always massive is just that, a myth - oh, and Leeds hardly won anything in the 70's either, they finished second a lot and let Liverpool win their first FA Cup, but they were not all conquering either.
Christ, I thought it was bad enough when I started to see Chelsea shirts all over the show a few years back, now it City shirts, not as many like, but significant.

Heysel was the original cause, but the old lady that is Goodison Park needs a make-over, big style, to get the newer, younger fans into it.