All Aboard the Sizeable Samuel Gravy Train!

[Alanbileysfeathercut]

Don’t get the hate for Alladyce from us, they brought him in solely to do a job and keep us up/steady the ship, which he did. Was never a long term job and both parties knew the score.

Best club job he could've got imo.
It's the embarrassment of hiring him,oh he done a job,yes,paid handsomely.
But after all his years in football hes turned to negative tactics.

 

[TheBigIguana]

Nah sorry Ig but Koeman wins this at a canter.

At least Allardyce only signed us 2 crap players. It was probably one of the lowest moments for the club in recent times but a lot of that is because of the situation that led to us having to bring him in.

As someone who believes the DOF does things I can't put bad transfers all on Koeman as Walsh was on that too.

 

[Lord Buckethead]

Best club job he could've got imo.
It's the embarrassment of hiring him,oh he done a job,yes,paid handsomely.
But after all his years in football hes turned to negative tactics.

Sexy football takes time (windows and time for those players to bed in) and money (even unskilled players cost millions these days).

Desperation football requires taking losing squad and drilling them in enough snide to get them enough points to stay up in a few months.

Sam is usually parachuted into a failing team, with little money/chance to buy new players and six months to turn them into something that can win enough points to save them from relegation.
The time scales and starting points are all wrong for sexy football. If he tried it, people might clap at them for heroic losers, but at the end of the day they would still be relegated.

 

[Efcjake]

As someone who believes the DOF does things I can't put bad transfers all on Koeman as Walsh was on that too.

They get grouped together as the two worst things to ever happen to us this side of the millennium.

 

[CharliePotato]

Best club job he could've got imo.
It's the embarrassment of hiring him,oh he done a job,yes,paid handsomely.
But after all his years in football hes turned to negative tactics.

I’d be more embarrassed getting relegated that I was when we hired him.

 

[TheBigIguana]

They get grouped together as the two worst things to ever happen to us this side of the millennium.

I think people underestimate how much lasting damage Sam did in his 6 months here.

 

[Efcjake]

I think people underestimate how much lasting damage Sam did in his 6 months here.

He signed two players and then got jogged on. How can you say he did more damage than Koeman is beyond me? What lasting damage has he done?

 

[navidson]

I think people underestimate how much lasting damage Sam did in his 6 months here.

Compared to the weeping gash (and i use that word intentionally) that Walsh and Koeman inflicted upon this club - the damage done by Samuel was a mere scratch

 

[TheBigIguana]

He signed two players and then got jogged on. How can you say he did more damage than Koeman is beyond me? What lasting damage has he done?

Those were really damaging signings! They were immediately sunk costs because of the players ages. Even some of Koeman's worst signings like Klaassen and Sigurdsson either recouped some money like the former or had reasonably decent seasons like the latter.

Plus Sam also crushed any chance we had at having Lookman and Vlasic make it here. There was nothing redeeming about Big Sam's time. It was a 6 month black hole.

Koeman was bad, but he did bring in a few useful players and the first year was genuinely fun. That's to me way more than Sam.

 

[nsno-chris]

Gravy guzzling fat mess

 

[TheBigIguana]

Compared to the weeping gash (and i use that word intentionally) that Walsh and Koeman inflicted upon this club - the damage done by Samuel was a mere scratch

There were redeeming parts of Koeman and Walsh. There were not with Sam. And some of the best things Walsh did were ruined by Sam. Lookman and Vlasic both had their times here killed off by Sam's refusal to consider them and they would both have been worth more to us in either transfer value or on the field production had that not happened.

There are a few lasting good things from Koeman plus the first season was actually good. Is there anything similar from Sam?

 

[Efcjake]

Those were really damaging signings! They were immediately sunk costs because of the players ages. Even some of Koeman's worst signings like Klaassen and Sigurdsson either recouped some money like the former or had reasonably decent seasons like the latter.

Plus Sam also crushed any chance we had at having Lookman and Vlasic make it here. There was nothing redeeming about Big Sam's time. It was a 6 month black hole.

Koeman was bad, but he did bring in a few useful players and the first year was genuinely fun. That's to me way more than Sam.

No more damaging than any of the legions of crap that came in before those two.

You bring up Klassen and Siggy as examples of returns lol lol

Sandro, Williams, Bolasie and I could go on.

Lookman wanted gone during Koeman's time. Sam definitely helped push Vlasic out the door though.

There's nothing redeeming about Koeman's time here. He was here longer and did far more long term damage than Sam. I mean ffs he's the manager who forced our hand into bringing Allardyce here.

You have different memories of that first season of Koeman than I do. That Moonfaced bell end was playing Tom Cleverley on the wing ffs and telling Lukaku to move to a bigger club. We went through some poor patches and a lot of folk were not convinced even though he somehow managed 7th.

I'm not having this wham that Alllardyce with his 2 signings and 6 months on the job did more damage than Koeman in a year and a half with 100s of millions pissed down the drain.

Absolute nonsense.

 

[Efcjake]

There were redeeming parts of Koeman and Walsh. There were not with Sam. And some of the best things Walsh did were ruined by Sam. Lookman and Vlasic both had their times here killed off by Sam's refusal to consider them and they would both have been worth more to us in either transfer value or on the field production had that not happened.

There are a few lasting good things from Koeman plus the first season was actually good. Is there anything similar from Sam?

What are these lasting good things?

The only signing from that era coming out with any credit these days is Michael Keane and even then it comes and goes.

 

[TheBigIguana]

No more damaging than any of the legions of crap that came in before those two.

You bring up Klassen and Siggy as examples of returns lol lol

Sandro, Williams, Bolasie and I could go on.

Lookman wanted gone during Koeman's time. Sam definitely helped push Vlasic out the door though.

There's nothing redeeming about Koeman's time here. He was here longer and did far more long term damage than Sam. I mean ffs he's the manager who forced our hand into bringing Allardyce here.

You have different memories of that first season of Koeman than I do. That Moonfaced bell end was playing Tom Cleverley on the wing ffs and telling Lukaku to move to a bigger club. We went through some poor patches and a lot of folk were not convinced even though he somehow managed 7th.

I'm not having this wham that Alllardyce with his 2 signings and 6 months on the job did more damage than Koeman in a year and a half with 100s of millions pissed down the drain.

Absolute nonsense.

I find the Tosun signing to be worse at this point than anything Koeman did.

And no, Lookman wanted to leave after Sam told him to go on loan since he wouldn't play here and realized that other clubs aren't as shoddily run as ours.

I just think if one manager brings in high potential players and the next guy just shoves them away that's a point really strongly against the second guy.

Sam did nothing but dig the hole deeper. That isn't on Koeman even if he left it pretty deep. My biggest memory of the whole situation is that when Sam was the manager I'd actively search for things to do instead of watching us play. It was unbearable.

 

[TheBigIguana]

What are these lasting good things?

The only signing from that era coming out with any credit these days is Michael Keane and even then it comes and goes.

There is a guy named Dominic Calvert-Lewin.

And Vlasic and Lookman would have been but a certain Sam Allardyce screwed that up.