Alisher Usmanov

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The Esk said:
It's not a witch hunt believe me. You've posted 34 times at the time of this post, of which approximately 2/3rd have related to me, my posting style, and demanding accountability.

I'm accountable to the site owner as his guest on his site and the site rules, nothing else.
If you continue you will get a thread ban, and after that a ban from the site. There is the opportunity for you to report posts or communicate your concerns with the site owner. I strongly advise you to take this course should you wish to remain here.
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I'm a hypocrite as i'm replying.
But given you have nothing substantial to add to the conversation, whilst showing a clear unwillingness to answer a simple question which would have prevented the perceived digression of the thread - I've nothing constructive to add baring the below giff - which is likely to fail to upload

At the very least @The Esk you've been a worthy if not conflicting adversary - I can only have wished you replied

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RaleighBlue said:
Because @The Esk has never once said he's ITK about Usmanov. He is offering his opinion. Rather than addressing his opinion, as I and most other have, you are addressing the poster himself.

I happen to seriously question The Esk on this issue (and while I think he passes his information on in good faith, I remain neutral on his ITK credentials...but I've been around long enough to believe the man is a decent sort and is doing what he can for Evertonians, even if he's wrong in the end), but I'm addressing his actual points, not his character.
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Again by posting on a public forum you leave yourself open to interpretation. It is not for me to change my perception, at the same time it would be wrong of me to suggest @The Esk should change his, but by engaging in communication - just like this- potential issues or 'misdirections' etc can be transparent.
I have been open with my opinion, however that is received is by the by, but I have been upfront and shown a willingness to discuss - However that opportunity has been ignorned and we find ourselves going round in circles.
 
R934 said:
I'm a hypocrite as i'm replying.
But given you have nothing substantial to add to the conversation, whilst showing a clear unwillingness to answer a simple question which would have prevented the perceived digression of the thread - I've nothing constructive to add baring the below giff - which is likely to fail to upload

At the very least @The Esk you've been a worthy if not conflicting adversary - I can only have wished you replied

http://gph.is/22YrtRV
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If you care to search the forum, you will numerous examples of Esks OPINION on the varied reasons behind his view on Usmanov and links to Everton.

It isnt difficult.
 

roydo said:
If you care to search the forum, you will numerous examples of Esks OPINION on the varied reasons behind his view on Usmanov and links to Everton.

It isnt difficult.
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Appreciate the reply.

If you care to have read my posts you will understand that is not solely my question to @The Esk.

But as i'm being called out for 'spam' there is little point me continuing this discussion
 
bluestevon said:
Share buyout will 100% happen first, new stadium site will be 100% signed and sealed also, Usmanov won't take any even slight risk of leaving one mess to join another, Moshiri will have to have sorted both things out, then it's a simple matter of sell at Arsenal and buying into Blue Heaven holdings as an equal partner.

So a guestimate on timeline would be later this year to early next - maybe stretching till the summer before it falls into place.

What would a partnership mean, foremost i think it would give us not only the vision of joining the 'elite' but also the financial means to do so - on a timescale that with just Moshiri would be totally impossible, Moshiri alone can turn us into a very well ran club, can sort out the club from top to bottom, can have us competing on the pitch and financially at a level we couldn only have dreamed about a couple of years back, but theres a ceiling on that - we can reach the spurs level but to go above that - the gulf is so huge that it would take a generation or more and would need success throughout that generation on the pitch - all the whilst having 3 clubs who financially can at the flcik of a switch decide to blow the competition out the water (thats assuming nothing major happens involving Liverpool, West Ham or Spurs as well - as all 3 of those are in a situation that a takeover from an Oligarch, Sheikh or Chinese consortium would see them joining the likes of City, chelsea and United as almost untouchable to us - even with Moshiri at the helm)

In simplest terms, the club 'should' be debt free (already apparently is according to some), a new stadium that would match or eclipse those of the biggest clubs in the coountry would be in place (a riverside one would do that - and apparently is also no longer a pipe dream) - with none of that cost being past onto the club as debt, the key talent would be retained and built upon, the club itself would no longer be a jobns for friends place but with the best people in the roles that we could attract, yest again we are starting to see the signs of that, commercial dealings would be masively increased (possibly through the slightly dodgy city model of Usmanov self funding those deals) and the club would be fast tracked to the status it enjoyed under Moores time at the helm, as in one of the top teams both on and off the field.

Short term we'd see a massive sea change in the club, long term it would be unrecognizeable and after a settlign in period with the 'media' etc we'd be put on par with the way they regard Chelsea, City etc, but with a hostory that far exceeds those clubs - and a hostory that whilst largely ignored in recent times by the media world, would quickly get disted off and brought out again should the club once again join the top clubs in the country
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I can see logic in what you have set out here. I can see why people believe that Moshiri is the right hand man sent in to stabilise Everton before the "boss" arrives. I can also see logic in what the Esk is saying re how difficult it would be to sell Usmanov's shares given the lack of boardroom involvement.

What I do logically hold onto is that when it comes to the super rich making even more money then anything is possible. Both men could very feasibly do this at Everton and also have the trappings of real control. It is certainly a possibility.

Best thing is, at worst we have a billionaire right now who is determined to progress the club from 30 years of stagnation. I'm confident he will achieve that and it will certainly lead to further investment in future years. This is win win lads.
 
R934 said:
Appreciate the reply.

If you care to have read my posts you will understand that is not solely my question to @The Esk.

But as i'm being called out for 'spam' there is little point me continuing this discussion
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Look. This is a thread about Usmanov/Everton.

As far as I can see, the questions that you feel to have some weird right to get are not about his opinions about that. Hence the "spam".

If you dont like what he or anyone else opines about, then fine. This aint North Korea.

But to constantly and irritatingly ask someone to reveal sources, more detail, etc etc, as you have done, is naive in the extreme.
 
R934 said:
Appreciate the reply.

If you care to have read my posts you will understand that is not solely my question to @The Esk.

But as i'm being called out for 'spam' there is little point me continuing this discussion
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I assume your username is R for the RS and then the 934 to represent how many years it will be till yous win the title again?
 

This @R934 and Esk stuff is like when people foam at the mouth for following a tip for a bet.

Just chill out a lad has some opinions/info and he's sharing it. Again if you'be blown your load telling your RS mates we are getting Witsel tomorrow then it's your own lookout.
 
Mosh is a proxy for Big Al, it's obvs
Anyone who has done business in Russia or the Middle East knows that's how the game is played, especially when he can't have a stake in 2 clubs.

We're a footy superpower now and the Reds are squealing
 

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