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[magicjuan]

I know what he's saying.

You know the term "holocaust" in this context refers to the genocide of around six million Jews, right? Which our friend here has said didn't happen i.e. the victims weren't Jewish, and only exists in the history books because of the "Jewish controlled media" because "the numbers don't add up".

This has been debunked both far and wide and is the stock in trade argument of pretty much every prominent holocaust denier there's ever been.

Actually the term holocaust, according to HMD, includes Rwanda etc these days and is supposed to promote remembrance and equality to those who have suffered genocidal acts, trades unionists, gays, disabled etc under nazism and others elsewhere.

 

[Blue 1]

Actually the term holocaust, according to HMD, includes Rwanda etc these days and is supposed to promote remembrance and equality to those who have suffered genocidal acts, trades unionists, gays, disabled etc under nazism and others elsewhere.

That's why I said "in this context".

Holocaust denial is claiming that c. six million Jews were not murdered by the Nazis.

 

[Jamo Martinez]

IMO the Germans are a bunch of untrustworthy pricks. But, the Nazi's were no different to any other conquering races. The Brits for example have serious blood on their hands, a lot worse than the Nazi's. But then the Zionist propaganda machine kicks in, doesn't it? Controlled media. Like Churchill had nothing to do with the partitioning of Palestine (ahem, genocide) supported by American interest. I don't give two f**ks who does what, mankind is on a suicide mission anyway - but a tad of Zionist free, free thought would be nice. Let's cut the Nazi's some slack. Mein Kampf, written by a mad man actually makes sense in a lot of ways. I don't condone mass murder, which the Nazi's were a dot on the horizon compared to Ghengis, the Romans, the Brits, the French (before they lost their balls and surrendered like little pussies at the first sign of trouble) and so on. Jew controlled media states 6m were killed in Auschwitz. Funny that with only 6 working ovens, and less than 4 million Juden resided in Europe in a census taken in 1932. The majority of killings in the death factory was Russian and Slavic, but that goes unnoticed, and history is left to preach a blatant lie.

I've never read or heard that. I've always heard/read that 6 million jews were killed by the Nazi German regime. Not just at Auschwitz.

 

[EFCNIK]

Good grief I haven't read the thread but is someone denying the mass murder of Jews in world war 2?

Shocking if so.

 

[Degs62]

Good grief I haven't read the thread but is someone denying the mass murder of Jews in world war 2?

Shocking if so.

No someone is just trying to get the point across that the Nazi's weren't just responsible for mass murder of Jews but many other races as well. Someone else is trying to attribute the term 'holocaust' to the mass murder of Jews in isolation.

 

[Blue 1]

Good grief I haven't read the thread but is someone denying the mass murder of Jews in world war 2?

Shocking if so.

I think somebody is sayong that 6 million jews were't murdered by the Nazis and that it's lie perpetrated by "jew-controlled media", Degs is reading it differently.
Read the thread and make your own mind up.

 

[Blue 1]

No someone is just trying to get the point across that the Nazi's weren't just responsible for mass murder of Jews but many other races as well. Someone else is trying to attribute the term 'holocaust' to the mass murder of Jews in isolation.

Not just me.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust

And of course the Nazis didn't kill exclusively Jews. Any fule kno dat.

 

[magicjuan]

Not just me.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust

And of course the Nazis didn't kill exclusively Jews. Any fule kno dat.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yad_Vashem

Note the first sentence. The waters are muddied on what was a clear programme of extermination and targetting. The ideology originated in the gentlemen's clubs of Britain, a social experiment for the want of power. The very same is happening to Palestinians now, yet, as a result of the fuzzy approach to the actuality of the german instigatedholocaust and the lawsbrought in to stifle any reasoned discussion, the very mention of Palestinian suffering leaves you open to accusations of anti semitism, punishable as a criminal offence in some countries as a specific, seperate act away from those under the banner of a 'hate crime'.

The identity of Israel and Judaism as either a race, a land, a religion, either historically or politically, is key to many things, not least the holocaust and the support for the ideology of those, some jewish themselves, who scapegoated sections of society.

 

[Degs62]

Not just me.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust

And of course the Nazis didn't kill exclusively Jews. Any fule kno dat.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yad_Vashem

Note the first sentence. The waters are muddied on what was a clear programme of extermination and targetting. The ideology originated in the gentlemen's clubs of Britain, a social experiment for the want of power. The very same is happening to Palestinians now, yet, as a result of the fuzzy approach to the actuality of the german instigatedholocaust and the lawsbrought in to stifle any reasoned discussion, the very mention of Palestinian suffering leaves you open to accusations of anti semitism, punishable as a criminal offence in some countries as a specific, seperate act away from those under the banner of a 'hate crime'.

The identity of Israel and Judaism as either a race, a land, a religion, either historically or politically, is key to many things, not least the holocaust and the support for the ideology of those, some jewish themselves, who scapegoated sections of society.

Ahh! Wikipedia the fount of all knowledge and truth on the internet.

I am pretty sure no one is saying that Hitler and the Nazi regime didn't kill millions of Jews, other races, and people with disabilities that did not fit his image of the master race. No one is saying there wasn't a genocide of holocaust proportions. There is however some disagreement over the number of those humans destroyed that followed judaism, I for one do not have knowledge of the number involved and do not profess to have access to the information.

 

[Blue 1]

Ahh! Wikipedia the fount of all knowledge and truth on the internet.

I am pretty sure no one is saying that Hitler and the Nazi regime didn't kill millions of Jews, other races, and people with disabilities that did not fit his image of the master race. No one is saying there wasn't a genocide of holocaust proportions. There is however some disagreement over the number of those humans destroyed that followed judaism, I for one do not have knowledge of the number involved and do not profess to have access to the information.

All the wikipedia article does is illustrate that the term "Holocaust" is generally applied to the Jewish genocide by the Nazis.

Holocaust denial isn't denying that any genocide took place. It is denying that c. 6 million Jews were murdered by the Nazis. Disagreeing with that figure is what's commonly known as holocaust denial. It is well documented and arguments against it have been thoroughly debunked.

Oh, and anyone talking about Holocaust "lies" or "myths" perpetrated by "the Jewish-controlled media" is on very dodgy ground indeed.

 

[Blue 1]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yad_Vashem

Note the first sentence. The waters are muddied on what was a clear programme of extermination and targetting. The ideology originated in the gentlemen's clubs of Britain, a social experiment for the want of power. The very same is happening to Palestinians now, yet, as a result of the fuzzy approach to the actuality of the german instigatedholocaust and the lawsbrought in to stifle any reasoned discussion, the very mention of Palestinian suffering leaves you open to accusations of anti semitism, punishable as a criminal offence in some countries as a specific, seperate act away from those under the banner of a 'hate crime'.

The identity of Israel and Judaism as either a race, a land, a religion, either historically or politically, is key to many things, not least the holocaust and the support for the ideology of those, some jewish themselves, who scapegoated sections of society.

I agree with this bit.