6 + 2 Point Deductions

[notrevE5]

Just give him the club

brilliant man, its comforting to know there are people of his uprightness working diligently in the background for the betterment of the club

 

[Kever10]

Always thought that banner was off tbh, should read "Where there is power and money, there is greed and corruption".

But heyho

 

[notrevE5]

Always thought that banner was off tbh, should read "Where there is power and money, there is greed and corruption".

But heyho

yea its badly phrased

 

[canuckblue]

Rumours are there is loopholes everywhere and the Super Silk is going to run a train through these P&S rules.... They aren`t fit for purpose...

As a poster said earlier Burnham was on the Across the Park Podcast, I agree well worth a listen.

I'd like to see Masters get a train pulled on him.

 

[Del-boy]

Rumours are there is loopholes everywhere and the Super Silk is going to run a train through these P&S rules.... They aren`t fit for purpose...

As a poster said earlier Burnham was on the Across the Park Podcast, I agree well worth a listen.

People need to read the actual information that’s out there on the breach and the views of the commission. We have absolutely zero chance of getting all ten points back. Zero. We have admitted to the breach for starters so we have clearly broken some rules.

What we will be doing is arguing for mitigation to reduce the points penalty. However contrary to what people are saying, we don’t have much room for manoeuvre. Our best bet is is going down the road that the punishment is overly harsh. The precedent used against us was from the EFL and Sheff Wed. They got 12 points reduced to 6 on appeal.

Arguing the stadium costs shouldn’t be included ain’t gonna wash. That only accounted for £2.2 million and we were apparently just over £20 million above allowed. Also the loan we are arguing about in terms of interest payments was from Metro Bank. If you read this loan application (which the commission has) it clearly states “not to be used for the stadium”. So this just won’t work.

Best case is we say it’s too harsh for a first time offence and get it reduced to five. We will then need to be clear of the bottom three at the end of season. The second breach will probably take two further points from us.

 

[Goat]

People need to read the actual information that’s out there on the breach and the views of the commission. We have absolutely zero chance of getting all ten points back. Zero. We have admitted to the breach for starters so we have clearly broken some rules.

I disagree, whilst our guilt isnt really in any doubt, there is plenty of scope to get at every single 1 of those 10 points.

You simply can not just pluck 10 points out of thin air without any prior warning.

 

[Del-boy]

I disagree, whilst our guilt isnt really in any doubt, there is plenty of scope to get at every single 1 of those 10 points.

You simply can not just pluck 10 points out of thin air without any prior warning.

The precedent was set with Sheff Wed. No chance we get all ten back. Hopefully we get it halved as what happened with them. Forrest will be interesting as they had near twice our over the limit losses.

 

[Goat]

The precedent was set with Sheff Wed. No chance we get all ten back. Hopefully we get it halved as what happened with them. Forrest will be interesting as they had near twice our over the limit losses.

I dont really know the Sheff Wed story.

But is Leicester not a precedent?

Leicester make £3.1m settlement with Football League over FFP claim

Leicester City have agreed to pay the Football League £3.1m to settle a long-running claim that club breached financial fair play rules

www.theguardian.com

The statements made clear that: “In reaching the settlement, the EFL acknowledges that the club did not make any deliberate attempt to infringe the rules or to deceive and that the dispute arose out of genuine differences of interpretation of the rules between the parties.”

 

[ForeverEverton]

People need to read the actual information that’s out there on the breach and the views of the commission. We have absolutely zero chance of getting all ten points back. Zero. We have admitted to the breach for starters so we have clearly broken some rules.

What we will be doing is arguing for mitigation to reduce the points penalty. However contrary to what people are saying, we don’t have much room for manoeuvre. Our best bet is is going down the road that the punishment is overly harsh. The precedent used against us was from the EFL and Sheff Wed. They got 12 points reduced to 6 on appeal.

Arguing the stadium costs shouldn’t be included ain’t gonna wash. That only accounted for £2.2 million and we were apparently just over £20 million above allowed. Also the loan we are arguing about in terms of interest payments was from Metro Bank. If you read this loan application (which the commission has) it clearly states “not to be used for the stadium”. So this just won’t work.

Best case is we say it’s too harsh for a first time offence and get it reduced to five. We will then need to be clear of the bottom three at the end of season. The second breach will probably take two further points from us.

I think you need to remember UEFA rules in all of this aswell, the ESL rulings state sanctions should not be discretional and the PL are sending clubs to an IC handing out discretionary sanctions.

The process we have gone through by the PL falls well short of the UEFA ruling, as per my previous post on this.

 

[ForeverEverton]

The Scumbag 6 wanted to break away and got a £3m fine, doing that now carries a 30 point deduction...

No penalties were in place before the PL sent us to the commission, the table I`ve seen our fans stating i.e 6 points for breach and 1 point per subsequent £5m should not be used. That was made up by the PL in August AFTER we were referred. It certainly was NOT passed by Premier League clubs so should not stand.

I think, and hopefully the PL will have to give us a minimal punishment with the league introducing a structured punishment for clubs going forward as in the case with the ESL Scumbags.

This tweets below are regarding the ESL ruling, but will no doubt impact our appeal, the Premier League have to follow FA, UEFA and FIFA rules which the ESL case states. :-





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[ForeverEverton]

People need to read the actual information that’s out there on the breach and the views of the commission. We have absolutely zero chance of getting all ten points back. Zero. We have admitted to the breach for starters so we have clearly broken some rules.

What we will be doing is arguing for mitigation to reduce the points penalty. However contrary to what people are saying, we don’t have much room for manoeuvre. Our best bet is is going down the road that the punishment is overly harsh. The precedent used against us was from the EFL and Sheff Wed. They got 12 points reduced to 6 on appeal.

Arguing the stadium costs shouldn’t be included ain’t gonna wash. That only accounted for £2.2 million and we were apparently just over £20 million above allowed. Also the loan we are arguing about in terms of interest payments was from Metro Bank. If you read this loan application (which the commission has) it clearly states “not to be used for the stadium”. So this just won’t work.

Best case is we say it’s too harsh for a first time offence and get it reduced to five. We will then need to be clear of the bottom three at the end of season. The second breach will probably take two further points from us.

Also don`t forget there is nowhere in any of the rules surrounding P&S which stated any punishment for failing P&S.... the IC went straight for points as instructed by the Premier League which is the PL directing the commission which is illegal.

 

[Tipp blue]

People need to read the actual information that’s out there on the breach and the views of the commission. We have absolutely zero chance of getting all ten points back. Zero. We have admitted to the breach for starters so we have clearly broken some rules.

What we will be doing is arguing for mitigation to reduce the points penalty. However contrary to what people are saying, we don’t have much room for manoeuvre. Our best bet is is going down the road that the punishment is overly harsh. The precedent used against us was from the EFL and Sheff Wed. They got 12 points reduced to 6 on appeal.

Arguing the stadium costs shouldn’t be included ain’t gonna wash. That only accounted for £2.2 million and we were apparently just over £20 million above allowed. Also the loan we are arguing about in terms of interest payments was from Metro Bank. If you read this loan application (which the commission has) it clearly states “not to be used for the stadium”. So this just won’t work.

Best case is we say it’s too harsh for a first time offence and get it reduced to five. We will then need to be clear of the bottom three at the end of season. The second breach will probably take two further points from us.

We may have admitted the breach but we gave reasons as to why? Pre planning for the new stadium having to go against P&S is the biggest joke of all.. we spent 40 million before planning was approved... we would not have breached if we weren't building a stadium, convince the new panel of that and the whole PL case is in the bin..A new stadium that will up our income and go towards making us more sustainable while benefiting the city economically should not go against us.

 

[DanEFC92]

Seems that it may not be that sinple

Time to demand a trial by combat

 

[MikeH72]

People need to read the actual information that’s out there on the breach and the views of the commission. We have absolutely zero chance of getting all ten points back. Zero. We have admitted to the breach for starters so we have clearly broken some rules.

What we will be doing is arguing for mitigation to reduce the points penalty. However contrary to what people are saying, we don’t have much room for manoeuvre. Our best bet is is going down the road that the punishment is overly harsh. The precedent used against us was from the EFL and Sheff Wed. They got 12 points reduced to 6 on appeal.

Arguing the stadium costs shouldn’t be included ain’t gonna wash. That only accounted for £2.2 million and we were apparently just over £20 million above allowed. Also the loan we are arguing about in terms of interest payments was from Metro Bank. If you read this loan application (which the commission has) it clearly states “not to be used for the stadium”. So this just won’t work.

Best case is we say it’s too harsh for a first time offence and get it reduced to five. We will then need to be clear of the bottom three at the end of season. The second breach will probably take two further points from us.

Any points deduction is farcical. It’s not a crime that warrants a points deduction.

 

[ForeverEverton]

Any points deduction is farcical. It’s not a crime that warrants a points deduction.

Absolutely farcical....

SLY 6 punished with a slap on the wrist and £3m fine if they felt like paying it, now if they did that it is a 30 point deduction and £30m fine, just to show how serious that was. The narrative behind this was you can`t punish the fans, staff and players.

West Ham went to an IC over Tevez and Mascharano being 3rd party owned, Tevez scored that goals that kept them up, they played 2 players illegally for much of the season. They went to an IC, they argued that the fans, players and staff shouldn`t be punished, they got a fine.

Yet for building a stadium we get a 10 point deduction, how many goals did that score this season? To go straight to a sporting sanction when you`ve set the precedence as above is corruption in the extreme.