6 + 2 Point Deductions

[Toffe3m4n]

Loving some of these questions re Everton to Masters from the committee, putting him on the back foot.

 

[witchdoc187]

Loving some of these questions re Everton to Masters from the committee, putting him on the back foot.

Link

 

[Toffe3m4n]

Link?

Parliamentlive.tv

Culture, Media and Sport Committee

parliamentlive.tv

 

[gwladysnight]

Majority of the media coverage is just kopites wanting City punished, they couldn’t give one about Forest or Everton.

The PSR was an absolute genius piece of legislation by the big clubs. ‘Sell your players to us for whatever price we choose within a certain time limit or points deductions come your way, meanwhile we can buy whoever we want with no limits whatsoever’. It’s absolutely genius but has completely screwed football more than it already was.

How could the PSR legislation be the actions of the big clubs when any rule changes need to be voted in by 14 clubs?

 

[kenada_blue]

can be sorted though, especially in a new ecosystem where everyone has to follow those rules. Maybe some sort of grace period (immediate from announcement) to the end of contracts, any new contracts have to be compliant.

Big issue is when revenues drop, but wage bill remains higher and you can't sell players. Have to give them away and impact revenues further?

Exactly re a grace period.

We've been hit with 10 points knowing full well we're trying to get our house in order. That issue should be done, agree a proposal over a time, then be reviewed if we meet it.

The EFL do this.

 

[kenada_blue]

The thing is at the pre-trial hearing we admitted even with both the Stadium interest and Transfer levy we were still over by £7.9m.

37. At the pre-trial review on 4 October 2023 both parties were given permission
to amend their pleaded cases. In its Amended Answer Everton admitted it
had abandoned its claim to be entitled to many of the additional exclusions
that it had advanced in its PSR calculation, and accepted that it had exceeded
the PSR threshold. Maintaining its entitlement to exclude the Transfer Levy
and the pre-planning stadium interest adjustment, Everton argued that its
breach of the PSR threshold was £7.9 million. It further maintained that it
was entitled to substantial mitigation. The Premier League challenged
Everton’s case in its Amended Reply. It rejected the claimed entitlement to
the additional exclusions, and rejected the claimed mitigation, arguing
instead that the reality was that there were aggravating factors. It put
Everton’s breach of the PSR threshold at £124.5 million.

Which isn't 10 points.

 

[efcfanwirral]

This touches on another issue that has not really been spoken about. Part of out issues, are that we budgeted to finish higher up the table than we did.

Is every club outside of the monied elite just expected to budget to finish bottom now, just in case? What a league eh?

we messed up there, we shouldn't be budgeting for top 6 just because we've spent some money, when we hadn't finished there for years. Was just delusional decision making

 

[John from Bootle]

How could the PSR legislation be the actions of the big clubs when any rule changes need to be voted in by 14 clubs?

Just a question 'mate'. Do you think 'overspending' by close to just one years worth of Salah's wages is deserving of a 10 point penalty?

 

[Toffe3m4n]

Rick Parry agreeing that points deductions during ongoing seasons isn't sustainable for the health & competition of the game.

 

[sam17]

I mean more from what the people on the government panel seem to be suggesting the regulator may look at. It isn't at all fair currently for Championship clubs, but neither is relegation from the Premier League being such a harsh punishment that it risks clubs going down again to comply with financial rules

Sorry, I meant more as a side note, I agree with your point completely.

 

[MACCA75]

How has this £105 million not been moved at all by inflation? Which has probably run at 100% over the last 5 years in football transfer terms.
The rules aren’t fit for purpose.

 

[efcfanwirral]

What's being said

committee member was trying to get him to agree to it being confusing, he was just adamant that we broke the rules and other clubs didn't and therefore we should be punished

 

[Tramps_mate]

They're hammering them now, its great!

 

[John from Bootle]

we messed up there, we shouldn't be budgeting for top 6 just because we've spent some money, when we hadn't finished there for years. Was just delusional decision making

So where should we have budgeted for? Incidentally, we missed out on the top 6 by about 2 points before we were forced to stop spending.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Yes they did complain. Steve Parish has even said there's been issues with it from the clubs especially the rolling 3 years.

"Spending within your means" re-enforces the idea that it's a closed shop of top 6 who have more means. None of whom gained them within FFP rules.

Every other club then can't get near them unless they follow a model Brighton are doing (but low, sell high) but that still isn't getting them through the ceiling and won't do unless they keep their best players and add. But that doesn't happen when Chelsea buy one of them for money you can't turn down.

And the wheels keep spinning.

100%

Having journalists always coming out to back the league and back FFP is exactly what the league and the big 6 want.