An update from Chong regarding the points appeal and their satisfaction of getting 4 points back and the hard work all the staff behind the scenes put in.
Waffle, waffle, waffle, waffle.
Waffle, waffle, waffle, waffle.
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Maybe, but then I think the sustainability element is more the emphasis than the profit. United are not in any danger of insolvency, their business can sustain a lot more debt than ours can.
The implementation and balance of FFP can be debated but the stated aim is to deter reckless, unsustainable spending that could lead to insolvency. It’s hard to deny that describes the Moshiri years, and here we are genuinely worried about administration if we can’t get a credible buyer.
It’s also the case that if FFP hadn’t constrained us from 21/22 then instead of being on the brink of insolvency we might be there already. The PL would argue that’s the system working.
There’s a lot that needs to change about the system, it needs to move to a Spanish style preventative model rather than a punitive one. But it’s also very arguable that on balance we’d be even worse off than we already are without FFP.
How many points do we think we need to survive lids?
40 or 40+, less?
I don't like trying to guess, simplify it myself by just thinking we win as many as possible. The good thing is, it currently is in our own hands. We'll have to see if the premier league decide 6points this season isn't enough and hit us again. If we can recapture early season form we'll be fineHow many points do we think we need to survive lids?
40 or 40+, less?
More self righteous back patting from Everton - we should never have got to this, with competent leadership, regardless that the rules are a farce and designed to keep the scab6 happy.An update from Chong regarding the points appeal and their satisfaction of getting 4 points back and the hard work all the staff behind the scenes put in.
Waffle, waffle, waffle, waffle.
Can understand paranoia and distrust of a fair process but when the IC just specifically ruled 10 points was too much I don't think they'd take too kindly to the PL going to them requesting 10 points. Second offence maybe, but surely negated by the close relationship between the first and the second. Most experts agree the second should be less not more due to overlapping periods.The thought crossed my mind that they might use us a pawn, give us a 10 pointer to warn everyone then reduce on appeal - keep the PL in the media in the close season. I dont think fairness comes into it much mate, but weve also left ourselves exposed and thats on us.
In my head 10 points is the worst, i see Luton maybe at best at 35, which means id be aiming for 45 - nothing is ever linear like that though admittedly.
Forest are an anomaly, id love if we were able to put day light between them and us, before the appeals etc - in a weird way they are 6 pointers!
In a weird way i wonder how linked our and Forrest's outcomes will be - what would it look like if Forrest got 10 and we got 4 - the PL would be thinking about the optics of that.
Or i may just be a paranoid over thinker.
@davek would be so proud he has converted youForget Luton, they’ve already won the league.
To be challenged by Leeds next year.
The gospel according to GOT.
I think due to their plucky circumstances and the fact when they do win a game its usually in a spectacular fashion it creates a mirage on their actual situation as you highlightedSo Luton have won 5, drawn 5 in 25 to have 20 points, theyd need to win 5 in 13 to get 35, or some equivalent of wins and draws.
Except West ham fansHope everyone has a nice weekend guys.
To me it is and it isn't in its current model (hence they're changing it). It's also a sham in general.
Chelsea spending £1billion and finishing midtable isn't sustainable. That kind of spending upset and is disruptive to the market.
However, they can recoup a lot of that with player sales within the 3 years. Which is basically what all the other clubs outside the top 6 are having to do at some point from spending in general. If they even attempt to spend a little bit over budget to climb a few places, they'll have to look over their shoulders.
The other 6 clubs do not have that worry about. So there's never going to be a real shift in competition.
But the flip side is, even without FFP there was no real disruption apart from the league allowing blood and oil money in.
FFP was also introduced by UeFa when clubs like Monaco, City, and PSG were taken over and decided to go silly spending. Gatecrashing the elite.
I could be wrong but I've not seen evidence of FFP stopping clubs from going insolvent. In the championship and lower leagues, the punishments have actually killed football clubs.
People forget that the fit and proper owner test in English football was brought in to stop clubs from going under, not FFP.
Most companies have debt. It’s relatively cheap funding. As long as they can service it, what’s the problem?I get that but it’s about profit and you can’t make profit if your a billion in debt, they should be forced to wipe that debt out as all clubs should
An update from Chong regarding the points appeal and their satisfaction of getting 4 points back and the hard work all the staff behind the scenes put in.
Waffle, waffle, waffle, waffle.