6 + 2 Point Deductions

[HowardsWay]

There's not much more to say to this really, is there?

What I will say though: Are you seriously suggesting that any clubs who make any losses should be punished? I assume so, as you're basically arguing that losses shouldn't be allowed.

Wouldn't that just in effect be a new super-duper ffp/psr. One that would drive the gap between the clubs (RS, Man U, etc) who've already benefited from financial restrictions creating a watershed in which they're always on the better side of things, and those that weren't in a period of success when PSR/FFP was introduced?

But yet you're banging on about parity for clubs in lower leagues?

No that's not what I'm saying at all but I am saying that football clubs should not allow themselves to think that losing 105M every three years is a way to run a football club.

 

[Tel001]

If City are found guilty they will be relegated and criminal procedings will follow. I'm honestly not sure why some of you think we are part of the cartel. We are very much on the outside and their main target.

Time will tell, but I do not think they have the balls to make such a huge decision to the dominant force in English football at the moment

 

[hallamblue]

If FFP is designed to stop a Leeds situation.

Why do they seem so hell bent on sending us into administration?

There are many ways they could have dealt with us and handing out a larger points penalty that actually going into administration doesn’t really go along with what FFP was apparently for

They're trying to discourage teams from breaching and they see a points deduction as the best way to do it, which it is, as you then gain no advantage from overspending.

 

[WestStandLower]

Pretty sure there;ll be numbers in there that relate to the 700 million stadium were building, and not just 'academy, women's team and charity'. Stand to be corrected like.

Their will be but the OP was talking about the £155 million Newcastle loss but that loss is before deductions and it’s no different to Everton claiming allowable sand yes that includes infrastructure as per the rules

 

[HowardsWay]

So if Bournemouth are in the PL and Everton are in the Championship, we should be looking up to Bournemouth and aspire to be like them because they'll be an "elite club"?

ok

Ridiculous analogy. But there is a certain arrogance about what you posted in thinking we are head and shoulders above them.
Frankly, they are going to have some issues anyway and this is indicative of what I'm talking about. They've spent a lot of money and they are going to have to find a way to comply next season and the season after.

 

[Toffeelover]

There is so much being piled on us, there is no escape. We seem to be done for.

 

[hallamblue]

Ridiculous analogy. But there is a certain arrogance about what you posted in thinking we are head and shoulders above them.
Frankly, they are going to have some issues anyway and this is indicative of what I'm talking about. They've spent a lot of money and they are going to have to find a way to comply next season and the season after.

It's not a ridiculous analogy. There's no way Bournemouth should be in the Premier League. They got in due to a Russian Oligarch and they've stayed in due to the TV money. But there are 25 bigger clubs in the lower leagues.

 

[HowardsWay]

I don't think they do think that.. this is supposed to be a competition yet these rules make it the opposite.. wouldn't it be great if a club could be competitive and profitable, unfortunately these rules ensure that if you were wealthy at the time they were introduced you'll remain that way.. Leicester actually won the league and were picked apart by the PL favourite clubs.. Brighton are current the shining light of how things should be done but really how sustainable is it to sell your best preforming players year on year? Their luck in recruitment will eventually turn and signing a few duds will see them slide. These are unfair rules masquerading as fair ones and drastically need to be changed.

And they are going to be in August 2025 from what I heard in that meeting with the Parliament Committee. I expect the rules to align with UEFA and the Championship so that it becomes far more of a level playing field.

 

[HowardsWay]

There are lots of very big companies that have never made a profit. Deliveroo and Uber to name just a couple. Ultimately, provided the owners or the clubs lenders are happy to put more money into fund the losses and the club is paying it's debts as they fall due then it really is no one elses business.

Agreed...until the owner no longer can manage and then at a football level, you kill a city or a town. A business offering a service or product like Uber is completely different.

 

[HowardsWay]

It's not a ridiculous analogy. There's no way Bournemouth should be in the Premier League. They got in due to a Russian Oligarch and they've stayed in due to the TV money. But there are 25 bigger clubs in the lower leagues.

And there we go.... no way Bournemouth should be in the Premier League. Arrogance of the highest order.

 

[hallamblue]

And there we go.... no way Bournemouth should be in the Premier League. Arrogance of the highest order.

It's not arrogance. The biggest clubs with the most supporters should be at the top, if you believe in true FFP. If a club can be well run like Brighton or Brentford good on them,but Bournemouth are not one of them.

 

[John from Bootle]

So you think players like Mason Holgate should earn more than the CEO of a FTSE 100 company?

Yeah. People pay good money to watch the best players on the pitch. That's the top and bottom of it.

Under your proposal, the lads in league 2 would be earning about 6 quid a week.

Don't pull me up on suggesting that Holgate is a top player either, I'm not saying he is, but mistakes/bad signings etc will happen.

I do think there should be a cap on agent fees though. Better still, ban them altogether for transfers. Make players use a solicitor at commercial rates (per hour) for transfers/contracts and let them use whomever they want for commercial deals etc. Failing that, I don't see why there shouldn't be a cap of say 1 million for agents, cos let's be honest, that's still obscene.

 

[HowardsWay]

It's not arrogance. The biggest clubs with the most supporters should be at the top, if you believe in true FFP. If a club can be well run like Brighton or Brentford good on them,but Bournemouth are not one of them.

Wow.... look who's wanting to protect the elite now?

 

[hallamblue]

Yeah. People pay good money to watch the best players on the pitch. That's the top and bottom of it.

Under your proposal, the lads in league 2 would be earning about 6 quid a week.

Don't pull me up on suggesting that Holgate is a top player either, I'm not saying he is, but mistakes/bad signings etc will happen.

I do think there should be a cap on agent fees though. Better still, ban them altogether for transfers. Make players use a solicitor at commercial rates (per hour) for transfers/contracts and let them use whomever they want for commercial deals etc. Failing that, I don't see why there shouldn't be a cap of say 1 million for agents, cos let's be honest, that's still obscene.

We need a wage cap, not an agent cap

 

[John from Bootle]

No that's not what I'm saying at all but I am saying that football clubs should not allow themselves to think that losing 105M every three years is a way to run a football club.

I don't think many clubs do, and if the ones who do have owners who are allowed and willing to cover it, then I don't see an issue.