6 + 2 Point Deductions

[Miked1e]

None of it is sustainable..... Due to the current regs / set-up even if you do have that 'freak' season of breaking the top 6 then as is said, you will get picked apart from other clubs and will have to then re-invest perfectly to replicate the previous season. Even then you have to account for players bedding in etc so will never happen!

What did I read........ last 10 seasons only something like 8-10 teams other than the sky6 have finished in the top 6. Something like the last 30 seasons all but 14 domestic trophies have been won by those outside of the sky6.

Exciting league.... Not really.

 

[maccavennie]

Well, just my opinion, they are supposed to be elite clubs. They are supposed to set the standard others wish to aspire to. I can see the argunent for the same treatment for all but reality is that Premier League clubs gain more financially than clubs below them. If these clubs are allowed to gain more than others in a financial sense, then I would argue that the punishment for breaking a higher set of rules should be higher.

So if Bournemouth are in the PL and Everton are in the Championship, we should be looking up to Bournemouth and aspire to be like them because they'll be an "elite club"?

ok

 

[ToffeeTim]

Incompetence was the issue. Moshiri couldn't balance a pencil on his finger, let alone a set of books.
The punishment is of course outrageous, but this all comes back to him.

Absolutely incompetence

But not deliberate according to the report. So I don't know why that point keeps getting brought up. And I will keep pointing that out when someone makes that claim.

 

[Iana]

So if Bournemouth are in the PL and Everton are in the Championship, we should be looking up to Bournemouth and aspire to be like them because they'll be an "elite club"?

ok

That’s Bournemouth who have been in administration twice in their history…wonderful role model!

 

[kenada_blue]

 

[Victus]

So is that saying we'll get one next season instead?

 

[kenada_blue]

So is that saying we'll get one next season instead?

Maybe. But if you look at the EFL rules you can't be sanctioned on the same issue you've already been punished for. So if the PL took the Sheff Wednesday case as a blueprint for our first case, you'd think they'd be looking for guidance in the same area.

However, I still think the 10 points will stick and that will be that. Then flog Onana to hopefully balance the books for next year.

 

[Victus]

Maybe. But if you look at the EFL rules you can't be sanctioned on the same issue you've already been punished for. So if the PL took the Sheff Wednesday case as a blueprint for our first case, you'd think they'd be looking for guidance in the same area.

However, I still think the 10 points will stick and that will be that. Then flog Onana to hopefully balance the books for next year.

I mean we cant even really speculate on it can we? new rules are coming in which probably have an Everton clause.

 

[kenada_blue]

I mean we cant even really speculate on it can we? new rules are coming in which probably have an Everton clause.

True. But the reason people speculate is because the PL don't have a set guidelines for punishment based on scenarios they've put themselves in

 

[witchdoc187]

That’s Bournemouth who have been in administration twice in their history…wonderful role model!

Looks like we are aspiring to be like them after all

 

[ChrisPW75]

And it wont make much difference. It very much depends on which side of the fence you sit on. Looking at it on the whole im on the cynical side. Both these systems are there to ensure the most powerful clubs stay there. 90% or 70% it doesnt matter. Its turnover and revenue and you've got a league where bournemouth and man united are both expected to operate within their turnover.
In a perverse way i hope city get away with it. Someone pumped money into the club. So what. Good luck to them. They cooked the books. Again so what. They were forced to do it as the only way of really getting round it to be the team they are today.
All they do is hide behind the ruse of its to protect clubs. The reality is clubs like city have pissed off so many other clubs who didnt like getting blown out of the water. If Everton hadnt been so inept we might have scratched the surface of it. And been hated just as much.

The new Uefa rules that the league are looking towards, I think are even more restrictive than our current league ones. This is because the 70% ratio to income is not just wages. A club will be restricted to spending 70% of their turnover on wages AND transfer fees and agent payments. If you look at the wage ratio income now of the majority of clubs, teams either exceed it already in wages alone or if they don't they they will have nothing left for transfer fees. Player agents fees can also be 8 figures a season in some cases.

The new rules will hit us even harder I think.

 

[Jacko93]

But the argument wil be that we had player on the pitch we wouldn’t have had if we’d met PSR
Its so amateurish, the man’s supposed to be a billionaire accountant, he couldnt even operate a ruddy spreadsheet it seems

But we also sold/released players in an attempt to not breach PSR. I cant remember the last time that we bought a player that was markedly better than the player we were replacing.

 

[Bez2k2k]

That’s Bournemouth who have been in administration twice in their history…wonderful role model!

I looked at Bournemouth’s transfers the other day. Surly they are going to be in trouble aswell soon. They have spend loads.

 

[kenada_blue]

The new Uefa rules that the league are looking towards, I think are even more restrictive than our current league ones. This is because the 70% ratio to income is not just wages. A club will be restricted to spending 70% of their turnover on wages AND transfer fees and agent payments. If you look at the wage ratio income now of the majority of clubs, teams either exceed it already in wages alone or if they don't they they will have nothing left for transfer fees. Player agents fees can also be 8 figures a season in some cases.

The new rules will hit us even harder I think.

I don't think they'll take on all of those proposals. It'll be too big a shift too soon for all clubs, including the top ones.

 

[Marius57]

I think it would be churlish to suggest the breach was “ deliberate “ and I don’t think that there is any suggestion from any that realistically that really is the case. If they are suggesting that then shame on you

What I think you all need to accept otherwise you wont get past first base is that the vast swathe of issues that led to the P&S issues are were as a consequence of decisions and actions taken by management at Everton.

Of course there were some mitigating factors but when it case to the case being heard there were some significant aggravating factors that clearly were key not so much to the base points deduction but stopped that penalty being reduced.

So punish them. None of them are being punished at all. We know the issues have come from leadership.

Moshiri has been wanting out for years (I think this has been the 3rd exclusivity period with potential buyers since he bought us).

None of the board are even at the club anymore and weren’t even part of the hearing. So have all got off Scot free.

That doesn’t take away from the absolute tragedy of how it’s been managed by the PL and the random sanctioning process where there is zero transparency.