6 + 2 Point Deductions

[Toffeepot]

Firstly thank you for a well-thought-out out and reasoned reply.

I think you are right and there is an element of truth in what you have posted. The thing is though that it was far less competitive before FFP. The big 4 were Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and Man United. Between 05 and 12 those big 4 teams featured in 7 out of 8 CL finals.

If you look back to the start of the PL we were one of the big 4 and one of the chief protagonists in the formation of the breakaway League. Have Spurs overtaken us because of a cartel or just because they have been far better run?

Chelsea would not have become a big 4 if FFP were in place
City also
There is little difference at the top other than the addition of a couple of clubs that were added pre FFP
Since then no club has joined them, and none will, that's the problem

We weren't flying high at the time the PL was formed, were beginning to decline through mismanagement like you say, but also now, income being the deciding factor in what can be spent being what it is, and Spurs always having a decent income, that played a big part too. No more wealthy owners to flood a club with funds. Moshiri at least tried, but he was too late and had clowns controlling his investment.

It's a rigged game now and we won't see another Chelsea or City break the ceiling for any sustained period. As soon as a club does well, their players will be plucked from them

 

[Drico]

It is being suggested that the number of documents that will submitted in the City case will be way in excess 250k bearing in mind for just the one charge in Evertons case it was over28k i would suggest the number is probably going to be closer to 500k

I don’t think for one second that the PL has ever considered the City case too complex its more to do with time after time the PL were thwarted by Cities actions or more likely in actions .

The charges weren’t actually made till Feb 23 it was said at the time that the very nature and extent of the charges would probably mean that it would be not just a year or two before a commission would sit but more like 4 or so years.

Of course the PL are able to deal with these matters the IP isn’t run by a group of ill qualified individuals they are in the main senior professionals. If what we are talking about is the process then that’s a whole different matter but if anyone believes that an Independent Regulator who will have to deal with these sort of matters will improve timings or process then sadly they will be disappointed

As soon as you allow headchoppers in to own clubs, it's game over. Richard Masters is not going to risk a horse's head in his bed by getting the wrong side of Mohammed Bin Bonesaw.

 

[CalBuckeye_Rob]

Chelsea would not have become a big 4 if FFP were in place
City also
There is little difference at the top other than the addition of a couple of clubs that were added pre FFP
Since then no club has joined them, and none will, that's the problem

We weren't flying high at the time the PL was formed, were beginning to decline through mismanagement like you say, but also now, income being the deciding factor in what can be spent being what it is and Spurs always had decent income, that played a big part too. No more wealthy owners to flood a club with funds. Moshiri at least tried, but he was too late and had clowns controlling his investment.

It's a rigged game now and we won't see another Chelsea or City break the ceiling for any sustained period. As sonn as a club does well, their players will be plucked from them

You need to spend huge dollars to sustain top 4 elite status and the system won't let you spend it until you generate that level of revenue and you can't generate that level of revenue until you sustain elite status.

 

[trueblue84]

As soon as you allow headchoppers in to own clubs, it's game over. Richard Masters is not going to risk a horse's head in his bed by getting the wrong side of Mohammed Bin Bonesaw.

They love horses. More likely to be a human head.

 

[gwladysnight]

Chelsea would not have become a big 4 if FFP were in place
City also
There is little difference at the top other than the addition of a couple of clubs that were added pre FFP
Since then no club has joined them, and none will, that's the problem

We weren't flying high at the time the PL was formed, were beginning to decline through mismanagement like you say, but also now, income being the deciding factor in what can be spent being what it is, and Spurs always having a decent income, that played a big part too. No more wealthy owners to flood a club with funds. Moshiri at least tried, but he was too late and had clowns controlling his investment.

It's a rigged game now and we won't see another Chelsea or City break the ceiling for any sustained period. As soon as a club does well, their players will be plucked from them

I don't disagree with you.

However, I think there has to be a balance between teams being able to break into the top 6 and clubs like Blackburn, Leeds and now us basically being bankrupted by temporary owners overspending.

It is a complex situation that needs a grown-up solution.

 

[John from Bootle]

It is being suggested that the number of documents that will submitted in the City case will be way in excess 250k bearing in mind for just the one charge in Evertons case it was over28k i would suggest the number is probably going to be closer to 500k

I don’t think for one second that the PL has ever considered the City case too complex its more to do with time after time the PL were thwarted by Cities actions or more likely in actions .

The charges weren’t actually made till Feb 23 it was said at the time that the very nature and extent of the charges would probably mean that it would be not just a year or two before a commission would sit but more like 4 or so years.

Of course the PL are able to deal with these matters the IP isn’t run by a group of ill qualified individuals they are in the main senior professionals. If what we are talking about is the process then that’s a whole different matter but if anyone believes that an Independent Regulator who will have to deal with these sort of matters will improve timings or process then sadly they will be disappointed

The fact they think it will take 4 years highly suggests they're not capable. At least to me, anyway.

The longest criminal trial in the whole of UK history took just over 300 days. That's the longest, ever. Granted, it probably took about another 8 months to get to trial, but that involves defence lawyers, judges, magistrates, police officers and courts that deal with thousands upon thousands of cases every year. What else have these clowns got to do exactly? As of today, they've had one bloody hearing, ever. And they need 4 more years to deal with a party they've already charged?

It's beyond a joke.

 

[HowardsWay]

You need to spend huge dollars to sustain top 4 elite status and the system won't let you spend it until you generate that level of revenue and you can't generate that level of revenue until you sustain elite status.

In a nutshell.

 

[HowardsWay]

They love horses. More likely to be a human head.

The odd journalist?

 

[WestStandLower]

The fact they think it will take 4 years highly suggests they're not capable. At least to me, anyway.

The longest criminal trial in the whole of UK history took just over 300 days. That's the longest, ever. Granted, it probably took about another 8 months to get to trial, but that involves defence lawyers, judges, magistrates, police officers and courts that deal with thousands upon thousands of cases every year. What else have these clowns got to do exactly? As of today, they've had one bloody hearing, ever. And they need 4 more years to deal with a party they've already charged?

It's beyond a joke.

It wont take four years from issuing the charges to hearing what I was referring to was what the press was saying it would take.
Progressing matters through process takes a ridiculous amount of time. Read this and bear in mind that small claims are ten a penny

1. Between October and December 2021, it took an average of 51.4 weeks for a small claim (those with a value of usually less than £10,000) to progress from being issued to get to trial. This is 14.3 weeks longer than the figures before the pandemic.
2. In the same period, it took an average of 74 weeks for all other cases (i.e. those not in the small claims track) to progress all the way to trial.

 

[Toffeepot]

You need to spend huge dollars to sustain top 4 elite status and the system won't let you spend it until you generate that level of revenue and you can't generate that level of revenue until you sustain elite status.

exactly
the deck is stacked now

 

[Street end man]

Is this being banned to radio thing instead of a further points deduction?

 

[John from Bootle]

It wont take four years from issuing the charges to hearing what I was referring to was what the press was saying it would take.
Progressing matters through process takes a ridiculous amount of time. Read this and bear in mind that small claims are ten a penny

1. Between October and December 2021, it took an average of 51.4 weeks for a small claim (those with a value of usually less than £10,000) to progress from being issued to get to trial. This is 14.3 weeks longer than the figures before the pandemic.
2. In the same period, it took an average of 74 weeks for all other cases (i.e. those not in the small claims track) to progress all the way to trial.

Yeah, again, that involves a legal system, a court/judge, and lawyers that will deal with thousands upon thousands of cases a year. Pretty sure they'd speed things up if they only had 4 bloody cases on the table.

They're either not fit for purpose, or they're sitting on their thumbs for unknown reasons.

 

[matty1878]

Is this being banned to radio thing instead of a further points deduction?

aye?

 

[Toffeepot]

I don't disagree with you.

However, I think there has to be a balance between teams being able to break into the top 6 and clubs like Blackburn, Leeds and now us basically being bankrupted by temporary owners overspending.

It is a complex situation that needs a grown-up solution.

As long as owners are held accountable for all losses from the start by signing off on collateral, and not have losses hoisted on the club by borrowing against the asset then they should be able to spend what they want if they have it. Any business that is brand based needs investment to grow it, and those companies already in the market with the biggest brands limiting that capability is cartel behaviour and anti-competitive.
We aren't bankrupt though
If we were we'd get less of a sporting punishment which is absolutely ridiculous in and of itself.

 

[Toffeepot]

Is this being banned to radio thing instead of a further points deduction?

the placards must've worked haha
All together now will need to place people in surround sound effect near the radio section instead