2015 post UK election discussion

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Adversus said:
How you treat?

No one is treating anyone any way. It's a matter of who pays for and what. I don't care what anyone does I just don't think every choice people make should be financed by other people.

The important thing also to remember is you also aren't inclined to help people who you know wouldn't help you. That's the reason I believe charity and public service should be a local thing because then you can judge whether you feel it's appropriate. The reality is no one really cares about the people who make up the statistics. Not you, not me, not anyone. That's how our brains work. We care about the people we know and when I have to make sacrifices for them to fund people I don't know and probably don't agree with then it's a bit hard to take.

Seriously look at the statistics of who pays the majority (not %) of tax to finance the public services. Calling them greedy bastards isn't going to make them want to pay more.
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Statistics reflect behaviour. They don't create it.

As soon as you walk out of your front door, you meet with decisions about your behaviour towards others.

Your offensive comment about treating others as "greedy bastards" could not be further from the truth. I have met any number of Tory activists for whom I have respect. Their philosophy is not one I share but I understand that they have reflected on their attitude.

I have also met young girls who kick rough sleepers and scream abuse at them because they offend their understanding of the world.

I'd suggest to you that a lack of understanding of others' ethical position is called, by some, psychopathic.
 

degsy said:
Just like we had here in Queensland ( yeah I know...But. ) all the people I spoke to had it that the Liberals ( think tory ) would get their backsides kicked. But the polls and all the commentators were saying that yes they would get a kicking but would get over the line OK...and on to last night.

Q) With all the high tech stuff how did they get it so wrong

A) Could it be that the only poll that counts is the one on the day

and again, how could the experts not pick it
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It's a study in human nature.

In this day and age of interactive social media it's too easy to bitch, moan and blame others for things and situations that aren't perfect because you assume you have the moral high ground. That's the advantage of the Left, and why their voice is so easily heard. It's more difficult to express long term hopes and aspirations because in a sense these things are in the future and don't yet exist, but we work towards them to make them real one day. That's the appeal of the Right, but it's more harder to express in words and probably doesn't carry easy punchlines. However I think it is a more powerful instinct for most people.
 
1966efc said:
Statistics reflect behaviour. They don't create it.

As soon as you walk out of your front door, you meet with decisions about your behaviour towards others.

Your offensive comment about treating others as "greedy bastards" could not be further from the truth. I have met any number of Tory activists for whom I have respect. Their philosophy is not one I share but I understand that they have reflected on their attitude.

I have also met young girls who kick rough sleepers and scream abuse at them because they offend their understanding of the world.

I'd suggest to you that a lack of understanding of others' ethical position is called, by some, psychopathic.
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Sorry. You must be the one Labour supporter who doesn't think the Tories are greedy bastards.

What did Campbell call them on Question Time? Ruthless bastards and he honestly believed he was complementing them.

And that's on National TV - not even a remark made in private.
 
evilwebby said:
It's a study in human nature.

In this day and age of interactive social media it's too easy to bitch, moan and blame others for things and situations that aren't perfect because you assume you have the moral high ground. That's the advantage of the Left, and why their voice is so easily heard. It's more difficult to express long term hopes and aspirations because in a sense these things are in the future and don't yet exist, but we work towards them to make them real one day. That's the appeal of the Right, but it's more harder to express in words and probably doesn't carry easy punchlines. However I think it is a more powerful instinct for most people.
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Walken said:
haha course you are mate, what have you learned from these lifestyle books you read, are they teaching you how to 'zone' women in clubs, I bet you have to book a brass a month just to stave the loneliness off you massive tit
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Why do you need another handout so you could pay for one?
 
Adversus said:
Sorry. You must be the one Labour supporter who doesn't think the Tories are greedy bastards.

What did Campbell call them on Question Time? Ruthless bastards and he honestly believed he was complementing them.

And that's on National TV - not even a remark made in private.
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I don't allow others to define my idea of socialism be it Campbell or anyone else.
 
evilwebby said:
It's a study in human nature.

In this day and age of interactive social media it's too easy to bitch, moan and blame others for things and situations that aren't perfect because you assume you have the moral high ground. That's the advantage of the Left, and why their voice is so easily heard. It's more difficult to express long term hopes and aspirations because in a sense these things are in the future and don't yet exist, but we work towards them to make them real one day. That's the appeal of the Right, but it's more harder to express in words and probably doesn't carry easy punchlines. However I think it is a more powerful instinct for most people.
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It's due to the entitlement generation. It's what's wrong with our politics, young people, the whole society. People think other's owe them and it's never their fault. When other people say No they just can't accept it like kids asking daddy for pocket money.

I know loads of people who have grown up in working class backgrounds and people from the other end of the spectrum. There's very little difference in IQ or ability. What one friend said to me "If I had of known not working in school meant I would be working this shitty job all my life I would have worked harder."

The problem people have is they come from generations where parents simply don't teach this but instead blame the state and others for all their problems.

Labour and left wing ideology keeps people poor. The worst thing is due to all these activists groups it's spreading.
 

bizzaro said:
Did not the fact that the UK lost its AAA credit rating for the first time in 35 years not suggest otherwise?

How quickly would that of dropped if a debt reduction programme hadn't been initiated is anyone's guess.
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Well given that the AAA rating was lost in February 2013 when the Government's austerity measures were at their height, and had strangled the economy I am not sure what it has to do with the situation in 2010.

Furthermore there has been no debt reduction programme: (source HM Treasury)

Gross National Debt
FY 2015* £1.36 trillion (est)
FY 2014 £1.26 trillion
FY 2013 £1.19 trillion
FY 2012 £1.10 trillion
FY 2011 £0.91 trillion
FY 2010 £0.76 trillion
FY 2009 £0.62 trillion
FY 2008 £0.53 trillion


Please do carry on with your argument though lol
 
the esk said:
Well given that the AAA rating was lost in February 2013 when the Government's austerity measures were at their height, and had strangled the economy I am not sure what it has to do with the situation in 2010.

Furthermore there has been no debt reduction programme: (source HM Treasury)

Gross National Debt
FY 2015* £1.36 trillion (est)
FY 2014 £1.26 trillion
FY 2013 £1.19 trillion
FY 2012 £1.10 trillion
FY 2011 £0.91 trillion
FY 2010 £0.76 trillion
FY 2009 £0.62 trillion
FY 2008 £0.53 trillion


Please do carry on with your argument though lol
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Reduction of the deficit and into projected surplus is a debt reduction programme Mr Esk.
 
Seanjd said:
Why must you refer to welfare as a 'handout', and would you refrain from seeking any financial support if you fell on hard times?
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Of course I would as that's what it's there for but it is a handout. i.e. something received without paying for it.

Now of course you can argue that you have paid for it through taxation but there are people who haven't paid anywhere close into the system as they take out.

The people who use it as a safety net I have absolutely no issue with. I've done it myself and will again in the future if needed.

However I was making a bitchy comment in response to the one made to me and was intentionally winding him up.
 
Adversus said:
What did Campbell call them on Question Time? Ruthless bastards and he honestly believed he was complementing them.
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Campbell's point (and I was there) was complimentary in the sense he was complimenting the ability and single-mindedness of the Conservative Party to grab power. You can have the best policies and ideals in the history of mankind but without power they're useless.
 

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