2015 post UK election discussion

[Tubey]

No if they had of increased it exponentially then the deficit would be going up. It's actually going down.

Debt has gone up from 78% to 90% of GDP. I'm not making that up. Spending has increased. It's levelling off now, but I really do question the wisdom of targeting the poor to get it going the other way, as it's a false economy.

 

[Tubey]

This looks like you've lost the debate and are waiving a white flag.

Good you admitted you got the statement of the deficit rising - wrong.

It was a terrible blunder you made.

Not the debate mate, just a recognition of how it used to go back in the day - it was horrendous, and I don't want to wind you up into another ban.

Just bowing out as a gesture of mercy really. You're welcome.

 

[Chang Elephant]

As was posted earlier in the thread, thinking anyone that didn't vote Labour is a buffoon is probably not a great start in reclaiming office.

I'm not certain that what I'm thinking has cause & effect on the chances of the Labour party reclaiming office, and on the remote chance it did I'd still be thinking it

 

[The Equaliser]

Plotters defeated then.

Oh well. Maybe next time.

 

[ToffeeDoug]

Yea but why did Lib Dem voters not vote Labour?

They either choose to vote either conservative or UKIP. Two right wing parties.

Answer : They didn't trust Labour on the economy.

Fair, but clearly some did otherwise Labour wouldn't have made the gains that they did. Should Ed have done more to reach out to disillusioned LD voters and specifically targeted them.

 

[Woolly Blue]

Just bowing out as a gesture of mercy really. You're welcome.

Caring and compassionate or full of crap ? No-ones really sure.
Mod material right there.

 

[bizzaro]

Caring and compassionate or full of crap ? No-ones really sure.
Mod material right there.

I've just been elected out of office and back to the Rawk witch hunt thread (House of Lords)

 

[Deggo]

As I have said, people say one thing to pollsters, but when you are in that box voting, you look after No 1. Is purely human nature.

Most can't comprehend what they're voting for but as working class there's only one vote for me

 

[Deggo]

I did say "more likely". Not a dead cert.

Oh. 20, 5, 12, 41, 3, 13.

PM me your bank details, and I will send it over.

Cheers mate

Just send it to your nearest food bank they're going to need it

 

[marty mcfly]

Yeah, "Good for the economy" is trotted out regularly as some explains all matra. How though? Do you mean "Good for the wealthiest in society"? Because, in terms of economics, most people (the poorest, of course) in this country are worse off in real terms than they were in 2010. Not sure how "Good for the economy" helps these people.



I'm sorry, I don't understand this bit. What do you mean by "rinse the rich"? Your final sentence doesn't seem to make grammatical sense, either. Could you clarify?

I certainly could.

1. Everything is paid for by having a good economy.

Certainly things where better under Labour but that money came from debt. Eventually the debt was at a point where no more would be available, certainly not without paying huge interest rates. You could either print more which devalues the currency and acts as a regressive tax on everyone or cut spending.

Labour argued they could grow the economy however they weren't looking to spend the money in areas that would show any return on the investment so that's a lie.

There's no hope of growing the economy with their polices. So the only answer would be higher taxes which would have to hit the middle classes because the rich are untouchable. If you hit the middle classes then the economy would go into melt down. No economy. No money. No public services.

It's not rocket science.

2. When I said "rinse the rich". It basically is a common phrase which means tax the rich however it's a lie trotted out by all socialist governments and is actually impossible to do. You can tax the middle and upper middle classes but not the super rich. If you do they simply move their money and maybe even themselves out of the country.

 

[kenada_blue]

Yea but why did Lib Dem voters not vote Labour?

They either choose to vote either conservative or UKIP. Two right wing parties.

Answer : They didn't trust Labour on the economy.

Or the Greens.

Lib Dem lost something like 15% from 2010 - Dropping from 6million votes to 2million.

4 million people spread across 3 or 4 parties. The majority Tory.

That's a massive swing away from Labour.

Labour tapped that disillusionment, you could argue they'd be in power.

 

[marty mcfly]

Or the Greens.

Lib Dem lost something like 15% from 2010 - Dropping from 6million votes to 2million.

4 million people spread across 3 or 4 parties. The majority Tory.

That's a massive swing away from Labour.

Labour tapped that disillusionment, you could argue they'd be in power.

People clocked on to Labour this time around. The reason they got so many votes was due to how many people work in the public sector.

It would be nice to actually have a party that was a nicer right wing party than the Tories and I suspect it's only in the next few years people will appreciate the job the Lib Dems did.

Personally I wanted the coalition last time around and hoped again for that.

 

[davmaher]

Yea but why did Lib Dem voters not vote Labour?

They either choose to vote either conservative or UKIP. Two right wing parties.

Answer : They didn't trust Labour on the economy.

I think its possibly more to do with the last election, where there was a significant amount of tactical voting. At that time there were a significant number of seats where the Lib Dems were second to Labour. People who would usually vote Tory voted Lib Dem to stop Labour from getting in, which worked a treat and led to a significant increase in Lib Dem MP's. This time around, rather than voting for Lib Dem again they went back to basics and voted Tory. Labour didn't lose a huge number of seats in England and Wales this time, it was the Lib Dem collapse that did for Labour. The Tories targeted Lib Dem seats and wiped the floor with them.

 

[rascal]

No, I'm not.

Are you a drama queen? David Cameron doing much the same job he was last week (oh no he was so well kept in check by those feisty Lib Dems) is not going to herald the apocalypse

It will on the poor.

 

[davek]

Imagine if Liverpool had won their SF and we had that to look forward to on top of this kick in the bollocks?

Small mercies.