Match Thread Wolves 2-0 Everton (Carabao Cup 3rd Round) 23rd September 19:45

[58 toffees]

Is anyone else made up that we are out of the league cup? Its a cup that's long past its expiration date and one that's completely bias towards teams on Europe. They not only get to start a round later, but also they get favourable fixtures in the next round. Personally I think they should have binned it a long time ago. Also everyone fields their reserves so what prestige is there in winning it? 'Oh look we just won a cup that noone tries in?'

So what was our actual target then for the season if not to win any of the two cups ?

 

[chippy1722]

I was shocked by the amount of changes, but there may have been fitness reasons behind them, and in reality these are the only games we can afford to give any player with niggles a rest in.

 

[Eggs]

Mate, you did watch that last night?!

Any of em, absolutely any.

Graham
Dixon
Samuels-smith
Foster
Benjamin
Nsangou

I’m not asking them to play every minute every week, but I’d have them in the squad ahead of the likes of mcshite, Coleman (make him a player coach who never plays now) etc.

…it’s fine if players are deemed anywhere good enough but McNeil has arguably been one of our most effective players the last few seasons, absolutely understandable he’s given game time. Moyes might now have seen enough, time will tell.

 

[NathDogg]

…it’s fine if players are deemed anywhere good enough but McNeil has arguably been one of our most effective players the last few seasons, absolutely understandable he’s given game time. Moyes might now have seen enough, time will tell.

It’s not hard to be kind of effective in a god awful team managed by your scotch egg headed stepdad, and when your playing every week regardless of how garbage you have been, and he did have his moments of real bad, even when he’s been in his good spells.

His attitude since Grealish has joined has been disgusting, and it was again last night.

A real player/pro would have turned up and gave the manager a selection headache by playing as hard and effective as they could, instead he’s sulking, half arsed and has surrendered, hence why I’d have a kid in ahead of him.

 

[Titus Shambles]

So what was our actual target then for the season if not to win any of the two cups ?

Obviously to win the 11th place trophy instead of another humiliating 12th place finish...?!

 

[Seathestars]

I didn't see any of the game, was on too late where I am, but how disappointing to wake up to that result.
I had this idea that we would win comfortably and it appears the manager and players did.

 

[Leylo]

lets face it barry and beto are absolute crap what moyes sees is beyond me ..another one is TIM who the f..k scouts for everton needs sacking even dibling all money down the drain ..moyes is dyche number 2 ....but hay its the everton way...

FFS

 

[Kevsleftpeg]

Very annoying. A poor team selection compounded by some extremely sub-par individual performances, resulting in a collective stinker.

Firstly; Moyes swapped out far too many players in the midfield and forward areas, and we had no real rhythm or patterns of play that allowed us to retain the ball or penetrate higher up the pitch. Putting Seamus and McNeill on the same side was a bad call, pace -100. I thought removing Barry at half time was also baffling, he had absolutely nothing to work with given how clunky our approach play was and I think he would have benefited from the introduction of more quality players behind him. Taking off Charly over McNeill was equally shocking.

Secondly; I can in some ways understand Moyes offering individuals the opportunity to prove themselves (although they must be given the chance to do so in a semi-structured environment, which I don't think the starting line-up offered). Nevertheless there were some howlers in there. I thought Tim offered nothing in the middle, McNeill was shocking, Charly is making a habit of miscontrolling simple balls and turning possession over cheaply, and I thought Dibling on the whole looked disinterested. Players need motivating to play well, but part of that is down to them.

Lastly; I thought the centre halves had stinkers. Off the ball they were both caught out of position at various points and were both culpable for chances we conceded but it was on the ball where they were most disappointing. Tarkowski on several occasions ran himself into a cul de sac and had to boot the ball into no-mans land as a result. Why not go back to Pickford? Better than playing hope footy. Keane displays zero ability to recycle aerial balls and just put his head through it on a multiple occasions where he had enough time to bring it down or cushion a header to the full back or one of the midfielders. Our complete inability to recycle possession, retain the ball for longer periods, or even progress the ball on the floor from defence into midfield, can be traced back to Keane and Tarky. This is a bit of a trend this season, both absent on the ball for long periods and prone to sudden lapses in concentration when defending. My how we miss Jarrad. An area to look at in January if we can afford it, IMO

I completely agree on the last point. We look good when we have spells of controlled possession because we have some decent technical players now but we go for long spells without the ball against even the worse teams due to our inability to push up and press as a unit (which is partly due the CBs playing too deep because of their lack of pace and athleticism) and our failure to put clearance into an area where a blue player has a reasonable chance of winning or competing for the ball. Keane and Tawks just continually clear it straight to the opposition. It's infuriating.

 

[everton1953]

So what was our actual target then for the season if not to win any of the two cups ?

A good mid table position to consolidate our recovery, aided by more additions in January plus a bonus of a good FA cup run.

 

[efcste97]

Think the biggest problem last night wasn't the number of changes per se, it was just a weird set up with players in unfamiliar positions.
I am a Moyes fan, but it's fair to say he got it badly wrong yesterday.

I’m not really a Moyes fan, but I tried to give him the benefit of the doubt yesterday. I expected him to name a side similar to the one we used against Mansfield, maybe with just one or two tweaks like Ndiaye in for Dibbling, that's why I was pushing against the 'strongest side possible' narrative. Lesson learned, never give old Moysey any slack.

 

[58 toffees]

A good mid table position to consolidate our recovery, aided by more additions in January plus a bonus of a good FA cup run.

We could have chose to go on a good League cup run but he chose not to ...,Also i wouldn't be surprised to get knocked out in the 3rd round of the F.A cup by a League 1 side knowing our manager's mentality....still as long as we strive for a lofty mid table finish that'll make up for it.

 

[Iana]

We could have chose to go on a good League cup run but he chose not to ...,Also i wouldn't be surprised to get knocked out in the 3rd round of the F.A cup by a League 1 side knowing our manager's mentality....still as long as we strive for a lofty mid table finish that'll make up for it.

Well end up drawing one of Liverpool, City,Arsenal or Chelsea in the 3rd round of the Fa cup.

 

[Charles Hawtrey]

How many games had the starting XI played this year let alone together? these numbers aren't actually that bad! - agreed some of them were a few minutes as subs in games, but they should not look like they have never met each other like they did last night in the first half.

12Mark Travers - 1




15Jake O'Brien - 5




6James Tarkowski -6




5Michael Keane - 6




23Séamus Coleman - 2

78'

20Tyler Dibling - 2

58'

37James Garner - 5

24Charly Alcaraz - 5

45'

42Tim Iroegbunam -5




7Dwight McNeil -2

59'

11Thierno Barry -6

 

[Rita_Poon]

I’m not asking them to play every minute every week, but I’d have them in the squad ahead of the likes of mcshite, Coleman (make him a player coach who never plays now) etc.

 

[Rita_Poon]

I was shocked by the amount of changes, but there may have been fitness reasons behind them, and in reality these are the only games we can afford to give any player with niggles a rest in.