Well put
Not sure that’s really true tbh
I don’t think anyone saw it as something to strive for, but rather a tragic reality of the circumstances we found ourselves in (at least in the first season)
Without the points deduction we would have been comfortably mid table in the following season, and the fact he couldn’t replicate that the next season was why most wanted him gone
Paul Rideout
Player Valuation: £40m
We set up well & we played fantastic.
My only gripe is when and who the subs were. I think Tim should only be replacing KDH, likewise Alcaraz - he can’t play in the wide positions IMO. Harrison Armstrong is the closest to replacing Gana like for like on that bench. I also think we have the depth & quality to be getting illy & Grelish off around the 75 mark (McNeil & Dibbling should have been their direct replacements).
I waited to post this because genuinely I’m so happy and it’s the only grey cloud in the sky for me. And tbh it’s not even that bad.
And we won, I should just be happy. I know… I am. But I think better subs better timed and we’re not having any squeaky bum time at the end.
My only gripe is when and who the subs were. I think Tim should only be replacing KDH, likewise Alcaraz - he can’t play in the wide positions IMO. Harrison Armstrong is the closest to replacing Gana like for like on that bench. I also think we have the depth & quality to be getting illy & Grelish off around the 75 mark (McNeil & Dibbling should have been their direct replacements).
I waited to post this because genuinely I’m so happy and it’s the only grey cloud in the sky for me. And tbh it’s not even that bad.
And we won, I should just be happy. I know… I am. But I think better subs better timed and we’re not having any squeaky bum time at the end.
My main gripe with Moyes has always been his reticence to push youth prospects
The style of play has never been an issue for me
During his first stint there were occasions where we played nice togger and won games
Swansea away and Saints at home in his final season of the original run both come to mind
The style of play has never been an issue for me
During his first stint there were occasions where we played nice togger and won games
Swansea away and Saints at home in his final season of the original run both come to mind
toffeeblue9
Player Valuation: £35m
Currently running at 1.68 points per game in his 24 game spell here. It's a small sample size, but that's the best form he's ever had at anywhere he's ever been.
1.68 points per game over 38 games would give you 63/64 points
"Where would that see us finish?" I hear you say, well fret no more. Over the last 10 seasons, that points tally would be good enough for the following league placings...
24/25 - 8th
23/24 - 6th
22/23 - 6th
21/22 - 6th
20/21 - 7th
19/20 - 5th
18/19 - 7th
17/18 - 6th
16/17 - 7th
15/16 - 6th
That's an average of 6.4th place over 10 years (yes, I know).
What's interesting to me is that he's come in and basically instantly hit the same sort of level of performance he had in his first spell here. I'd guess that's roughly on par, in terms of league placings, with what he achieved here last time, probably marginally better.
Long way to go etc etc
Stop being such a sad stat freak etc etc
Go and sniff a bus seat etc etc
Happy Sunday, up the toffees
1.68 points per game over 38 games would give you 63/64 points
"Where would that see us finish?" I hear you say, well fret no more. Over the last 10 seasons, that points tally would be good enough for the following league placings...
24/25 - 8th
23/24 - 6th
22/23 - 6th
21/22 - 6th
20/21 - 7th
19/20 - 5th
18/19 - 7th
17/18 - 6th
16/17 - 7th
15/16 - 6th
That's an average of 6.4th place over 10 years (yes, I know).
What's interesting to me is that he's come in and basically instantly hit the same sort of level of performance he had in his first spell here. I'd guess that's roughly on par, in terms of league placings, with what he achieved here last time, probably marginally better.
Long way to go etc etc
Stop being such a sad stat freak etc etc
Go and sniff a bus seat etc etc
Happy Sunday, up the toffees
Bluepablo
Player Valuation: £1m
The more progressive managers at Bournemouth & Brighton are using 5 subs every game as we found to our cost against Bournemouth last year & Wolves being inches away from salvaging a draw yesterday. Moyes has a good enough bench now & needs to start using it.
Rita_Poon
Player Valuation: £100m
The comparison is slightly skewed, a like for like points finish neglects the points we earn are taken from those we compete against, so when we acquire more, they cumulatively get less.
Just to make an easy example of this, lets say one side wins all 38 games for the season, they are uncatchable, because the best any other side can do is win 36 and lose 2.
It's also prime Everton and ironic Moyes that he's in the patch of his career where he's been forced to utilise a very limited Doucoure, ineffective Lindstrom and Harrison, an uninterested and wanting out Cal-Lewin, a great for his age Young, a bench full of keepers, lost out on Mangala.
So he's assembled a much better squad, in one banjaxed window (cwc open and close and open again) with a day of it to go.
We've also got the newest stadium in Europe that every side and support wants to visit. It's been fairly tame so far, when we get a red card or are chasing a game or we're being worked over by the referee it'll start boiling. That's when we'll christen it home.
Delargeinho
Player Valuation: £30m
I remember when he was at West Ham him and Dyche were the lowest in the league for subs.
As you said we have decent squad options now even with the injuries and not like last season when it almost caused a headache.
NathDogg
Player Valuation: £50m
We’ve won as many games this August(2 so far) as we did in seasons 21,22,23 & 24 combined…..
how godawful where we?!
Fronk* and Dycheball baaaaabbbbyyyyy!
All hail dour depressing davey - he’s done an incredible job since he returned to us.
*still got time for ya Franky Lamps.
how godawful where we?!Fronk* and Dycheball baaaaabbbbyyyyy!
All hail dour depressing davey - he’s done an incredible job since he returned to us.
*still got time for ya Franky Lamps.
raiseyoureyebrow4thewin!
Player Valuation: £1m
and if we keep that up over the season
that's 2 points per game
we end up on 76 points
champions league here we come
Zatara
Player Valuation: £100m
and if we keep that up over the season
that's 2 points per game
we end up on 76 points
champions league here we come
Tbh im hoping for 60pts
We are 10% there.
God Benfrey
Player Valuation: £8m
If we actually get a serious 6 and a RB that are ready to go straight in and we get lucky with injuries I can see us getting top 7/8 easily
everton1953
Player Valuation: £40m
Your main gripe? That means you must have others? What are they? Are there so many you are disappointed with him overall?
MikeH72
Player Valuation: £100m
But we had loads of people telling us that nobody could do any better because he’d talked them into us having the worst squad in the league, his job was impossible, and dragging their expectations down to seeing 17th as the best we could hope for. You really don’t have to go back long on this forum to see who was pushing that agenda.
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