2025/26 David Moyes


bluestevon said:
Saying you've been turned down in itself is unprofessional mate, it ta our club but it's also a business trying to recruit people into it, what other manager would go in the private sector blabbing about being unable to recruit a certain level of employee so now lowering standards ...
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Moyes is the one trying to increase standards across the club, not lower them

There haven't been proper standards at Everton for years. We aimed for 17th place.
 
JobForTheMoyes said:
Constantly having to fire managers is a sign of weak executive management.
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Indeed. It's a sign of terrible recruitment. That's been Everton's problem in the last decade. We have continuously hired badly, so sacking is an inevitable consequence of that.

We need to stop appointing managers to do one job (fire-fighting) and expect them to do another (winning trophies). For this reason, I would have thanked Moyes in May and appointed the manager I had planned to hire for the changed job with different requirements in June 2025. But, as we know, Friedkin did not have a "chosen manager" or a plan, so we are where we are. So, if they were keeping Moyes on, they should have played to his strengths. I don't think they've done that this summer. Which means we have the worst of both worlds.
 
bluestevon said:
It's like going over to a girl in a bar and telling her at 1am you've been trying to pull really attractive girls all night but failing so decided to try the decent ones bombed out with those so gave up and went to go talk to her instead.
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Itā€™s not though

We were linked with Fofana who made it clear he wants Europe and is a very good player

Letā€™s say we sign Fellows from West Brom

Should Fellows be upset he was second choice to a better player, or should he be absolutely buzzing Everton want to sign him and he gets to play in the premier league


These players arenā€™t getting picked up in sleazy bars late at night for a cheap bang, theyā€™re being given multi year multi million pound contracts to play football in the premier league, itā€™s a nonsense comparison
 

Drico said:
Indeed. It's a sign of terrible recruitment. That's been Everton's problem in the last decade. We have continuously hired badly, so sacking is an inevitable consequence of that.

We need to stop appointing managers to do one job (fire-fighting) and expect them to do another (winning trophies). For this reason, I would have thanked Moyes in May and appointed the manager I had planned to hire for the changed job with different requirements in June 2025. But, as we know, Friedkin did not have a "chosen manager" or a plan, so we are where we are. So, if they were keeping Moyes on, they should have played to his strengths. I don't think they've done that this summer. Which means we have the worst of both worlds.
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Thereā€™s a middle ground between fighting relegation and winning trophies. Most clubs donā€™t win trophies so itā€™s a pointless metric.
 

If you look back through our time in the premier league, which is the time Iā€™ve been going the game. In the 90ā€™s we were infamous for final day escapes, mainly because we had two high profile final day televised escapes. Smith steadied the ship on a limited budget but it was still drab. No manager has offered the consistency that Moyes has, from 06/07 to 11/12 we went 6th 5th 5th 8th 7th 7th, prior to that we had a 7th that came from absolutely nowhere given what went before and even more incredible was our best PL finish in 04/05

The lack of respect for Moyes by the online characters (certainly not a general consensus in the ground given the fans chanting his song) is abysmal.

I read a post earlier that said (paraphrasing) ā€œMoyes will play things down, we will start slow, turn it around and finish 8thā€ and that post was critical towards Moyes.

Christ, how many of you live in the real world? Moyes rebuilt this club as best he could under Kenwright. Martinez bought tradesman in to remove the damp course (they thought it was a weird request but they did it) and itā€™s been downhill since.

If we finish any better than halfway we should be happy. This isnā€™t fifa and a lot of clubs are way ahead of us, in fact we just finished above 2 teams we have no rights to be finishing above and wonā€™t be finishing above this season, so effectively weā€™re starting from 15th.
 
JobForTheMoyes said:
No, itā€™s an aspiration. You have to have realistic targets. Incremental improvement.
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That goes without saying.

But, in the end, trophies are what it's about. You look to incrementally improve to the point where winning trophies becomes likely. Look at Newcastle under Eddie Howe. But the idea that a manager needs 11 years to then win a trophy is for the birds. Moyes, to his credit, didn't need too long at West Ham. Glasner at Palace did it immediately.

None of this should be beyond a properly-functioning Everton.
 
bluestevon said:
Saying you've been turned down in itself is unprofessional mate, it ta our club but it's also a business trying to recruit people into it, what other manager would go in the private sector blabbing about being unable to recruit a certain level of employee so now lowering standards ...
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Howe has been dragged through the mud for nearly a month.
Silva has today briefed the media re his frustration.
You provide extra scrutiny to Moyes because you are an Everton supporter.

It isn't supernatural.
 

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