2025/26 David Moyes

[BackRow PE6]

To allow him to blow £100mil+ ?

Who’s he blown it on? i.e. you disagree with?

 

[BackRow PE6]

I know ,
Imagine entering the ‘ most important and challenging period for the club ‘ and dismantling the existing structure to replace it with an entirely new and incomplete one .
Not the the most inspiring or intelligent example of forward planning .
Some would call it rank amateur.
It has been a predictably dysfunctional and chaotic close season as a result, producing a very dispiriting start to the season .
They definitely need to up their game somewhat.

Agree we should expect more, but if they were making changes they had to make them when they did. Shows they are taking a long term approach rather than a 2025 window approach

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

Agree we should expect more, but if they were making changes they had to make them when they did. Shows they are taking a long term approach rather than a 2025 window approach

Perhaps
But the structure looks too ‘flat ‘ to me .
I’m all for deepening the decision making structure with greater expertise but this structure looks very reminiscent of the Kenwright years. Everything revolves around Kinnear and Moyes .

 

[BackRow PE6]

Perhaps
But the structure looks too ‘flat ‘ to me .
I’m all for deepening the decision making structure with greater expertise but this structure looks very reminiscent of the Kenwright years. Everything revolves around Kinnear and Moyes .

Any structure only as effective as the prople in it. Fingers crossed all around (unsure about Kinnear myself and we all know what Moyes is good at / his limitations)

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

Any structure only as effective as the prople in it. Fingers crossed all around (unsure about Kinnear myself and we all know what Moyes is good at / his limitations)

Moyes is very limited , that is true.

 

[Blast_of_Cannock]

In which case, why would anyone manage Everton?

Probably because of the multiple times we've payed out £millions when we have the normal 2 year purge of managers. Who wouldn't want a job that guarantees massive money for failing.

 

[Kirkles]

A top manager would find a way to play and adapt to us not having a right winger . There's formations with 3 CAMs or the 3-5-2 that Conte and Inzaghi used to success. We'd need to very good wing backs though.

 

[Rita_Poon]

A top manager would find a way to play and adapt to us not having a right winger . There's formations with 3 CAMs or the 3-5-2 that Conte and Inzaghi used to success. We'd need to very good wing backs though.

Hello summer 2017 again...

 

[D410]

Vinny O'connor has the first question from Sky Sports

David did you make any progress on the Trans....Yes Vinny ! we caught the mole, we are delighted, Press Conference over.

 

[windymiller]

Probably because of the multiple times we've payed out £millions when we have the normal 2 year purge of managers. Who wouldn't want a job that guarantees massive money for failing.

That was my original point.

 

[smileychap]

Why would he leave his club? He’s hardly going to be attracted to this squad.

Bigger club, clear opportunity to improve the team.

But you make a good point, he's comfy there, the team is further along on it's development. And connection of board, Very good player recruitment and development of the ground all seem in synch.

Like us... *Cough!.

 

[smileychap]

This is a different club now then when Moyes was here and he won't get away with one of his slow starts to the season that he used to

Hope that's true.

 

[GoldenToffee]

Vinny O'connor has the first question from Sky Sports

David did you make any progress on the Trans....Yes Vinny ! we caught the mole, we are delighted, Press Conference over.

Likely tbf.

Some more questions likely to be posed:
"David, another quiet week on the transfer front. Is the club still working hard to bring in new players?"
--> "The club hasn't stopped working hard to bring in players all summer and we have brought in a few, but we do need several more at a minimum before the deadline. The team isn't ready for the season due to the numbers but we're having to make do with what we've got right now."

"Last month you mentioned you needed to bring in 9-10 new players - is this still the case?"
--> "We'll see what we can get. As you've seen with a lot of clubs, it's proving hard to bring players in this summer for one reason or another. We're definitely looking to bring in a few more, that's for sure. Whether that happens though, we'll have to see."

"David, is the club still working to bring in Tyler Dibling?"
--> "Like I've said before, I'm not going to sit here and talk about individual players. You've seen the news reports so read into that what you will. It's definitely an area of the field we're looking to strengthen in though."

"We saw against Leeds that several players were played out of position - is this likely to be the case against Brighton?"
--> "Yes - because we don't have the players available to us what we need. Whether that means it's the same XI or one or two changes, you'll have to wait and see, but we're really up against it at the minute with injuries and lack of numbers."
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Ok, let's go to the embargoed section now guys....

 

[smileychap]

I said it months ago that we'll be looking for a new manager by November. Last season, the only thing that mattered was survival. Moyes, to his credit, secured that within a month - just as Big Sam did in 2017. However, when the panic abates, owners want something more progressive and forward-looking. Managers are no longer prized for fire fighting, but are judged on ability to attract talent (glamour) and image (do they represent what the owners see in themselves and their "asset"?). Vanity. Moyes, for all his many attributes, is a stubborn old-school pragmatist. These are attributes in the right circumstances - like last season when fighting for our lives. They become obstacles in a calmer environment where possibilities expand and limits are less onerous as the spectre of relegation recedes.

I was suprised they had no "glamour" manager to come in and continue the job. I didn't see the status quo as a pragmatic choice from them (where they believed in Moyes as their man for the big job ahead). I saw it as evidence of lack of a plan. Since then, nothing they've done since has convinced me they are anything other than unprepared for the football side of the club.

It's quite clear that the cracks are now showing as Moyes pulls one way and the "competent professionals" pull the other way. There will be collateral damage to both sides along the way, but in the end the owners always win and we'll be plunged into mid-season instability as winter approaches rather than having an executable plan last May. See? Unprepared again...

Nailed it. This is precisely the frustration and people are venting with pre-season, transfer window and Leeds performance. So avoidable.

I HOPE Moyes can wrangle what he's got into some sort of survival formula this year- and if he can - it wouldn't surprise me to see us edge up 2nd half of season, as Europe catches up on the presently more successful clubs competing top half, Europe, cup runs etc.

The trouble with that is it's not a vision for the club. We want to be in Europe, not grinding out draws and odd wins against tired 'bigger' teams on an off night, with a sense of achievement. We're bigger than at least half the clubs above us!

I Feel the poor pre-season and transfer window are symptoms not the problem.

Are TFG hopeless? Hm, they've dug us out the Moshiri era...
Is Moyes hopeless? No, V1 was good and V2 saved us last Jan/Feb...

So why the PAINFUL lack of business to strengthen our right side, and lashing out on expensive Jack Grealish and giving ourselves 3 left-sided players + KDH who's naturally left-footed?

VERY STRANGE, smacks of our 'no.10s' summer under Koeman and Walsh.

Do TFG not want Moyes but feel obligated to let him have a season and just steady the ship with us in the Prem, whilst they get in 'their' man'?

That's sort of a plan, of sorts. Just waay below the expectations and certainly the hopes of fans.

 

[jceverton]

I said it months ago that we'll be looking for a new manager by November. Last season, the only thing that mattered was survival. Moyes, to his credit, secured that within a month - just as Big Sam did in 2017. However, when the panic abates, owners want something more progressive and forward-looking. Managers are no longer prized for fire fighting, but are judged on ability to attract talent (glamour) and image (do they represent what the owners see in themselves and their "asset"?). Vanity. Moyes, for all his many attributes, is a stubborn old-school pragmatist. These are attributes in the right circumstances - like last season when fighting for our lives. They become obstacles in a calmer environment where possibilities expand and limits are less onerous as the spectre of relegation recedes.

I was suprised they had no "glamour" manager to come in and continue the job. I didn't see the status quo as a pragmatic choice from them (where they believed in Moyes as their man for the big job ahead). I saw it as evidence of lack of a plan. Since then, nothing they've done since has convinced me they are anything other than unprepared for the football side of the club.

It's quite clear that the cracks are now showing as Moyes pulls one way and the "competent professionals" pull the other way. There will be collateral damage to both sides along the way, but in the end the owners always win and we'll be plunged into mid-season instability as winter approaches rather than having an executable plan last May. See? Unprepared again...

Agreed. I definitely think they don't know how to run a football that was clear from Roma. I just think they're a more sophisticated version of Moshiri. No competent owners would've appointed Moyes and let him dictate how the club would be run on the football side. The sooner we are shut of him, have scrapped the current recruitment model and appoint a top class DOF the better.