Transfer Rumour Douglas Luiz

[Moomin]

….looks like @Moomin keeps up his incredible ‘welcome to Everton’ thread record.

He wanted to come and the recruitment team had a deal but according to Benj and the Bobble Moyes put a stop to it.

 

[Kevsleftpeg]

This is true, and a spot on post.

But this transfer window so far doesn't present a long term strategy.

Quick expensive fixes in Grealish, Ake now on the cards... It's almost like the brief is ' grind out 16th', with expensive loans, no youth and no plan for the right side of the pitch.

That's not a long term stable vision to me, but I do understand your point, and how you're right.

We've bought a mix of young players and old players. Unfortunately the squad needed so much work following years of neglect and those contracts all running out at the same time that it was impossible to sort everything in one window. Even a long term vision needs an interim transition phase.

 

[smileychap]

We've bought a mix of young players and old players. Unfortunately the squad needed so much work following years of neglect and those contracts all running out at the same time that it was impossible to sort everything in one window. Even a long term vision needs an interim transition phase.

Hm, I don't see the youth developing.

He's dumped Patterson, Garner out of position (not good), dumped Mcneil (who has been playing OK). Not doing much with Chermiti. Armstrong young at 18 admittedly, not seeing much time on pitch.

Lucky JoB has been so robust fitness wise. JB a worry.

No right sided players in. What? I see very little youth or long-term planning in crucial positions for the team, but acknowledge I might be missing areas where we've tried - I just don't see it.

 

[hippopotamus]

This is true, and a spot on post.

But this transfer window so far doesn't present a long term strategy.

Quick expensive fixes in Grealish, Ake now on the cards... It's almost like the brief is ' grind out 16th', with expensive loans, no youth and no plan for the right side of the pitch.

That's not a long term stable vision to me, but I do understand your point, and how you're right.

Hello, can you elaborate how Barry, Aznou, Dibling "on the cards" and so on align with "grind out 16th"? Thanks.

 

[Yarrgh]

Good move by Forest. Along with Grealish, that would have shown some serious intent. Oh well, no doubt we have another few targets ready to get in...

 

[st.domingo]

I still believe you @unfiltered

Next year perhaps!

 

[st.domingo]

He wanted to come and the recruitment team had a deal but according to Benj and the Bobble Moyes put a stop to it.

Yves Bissouma thread incoming?

 

[smileychap]

Hello, can you elaborate how Barry, Aznou, Dibling "on the cards" and so on align with "grind out 16th"? Thanks.

a) The players above neither playing much (or at all), nor belonging to the club
b) The remainder losing to a newly promoted, very average prem side, using players out of position, prioritising back-passes to a shaky back four instead of passing forwards
c) Having 3 or 4 left footed players in a similar position
d) No discernible right sided players on the pitch in a 'natural' position
e) great slip from Alcaraz playing as a defensive CM in the build up to the goal, too

 

[Kevsleftpeg]

Hm, I don't see the youth developing.

He's dumped Patterson, Garner out of position (not good), dumped Mcneil (who has been playing OK). Not doing much with Chermiti. Armstrong young at 18 admittedly, not seeing much time on pitch.

Lucky JoB has been so robust fitness wise. JB a worry.

No right sided players in. What? I see very little youth or long-term planning in crucial positions for the team, but acknowledge I might be missing areas where we've tried - I just don't see it.

Chermiti played in preseason. Clearly not good enough. Armstrong played in preseason. Clearly not good enough for significant minutes at the moment. Patterson = trash. Garner and McNeil are not young players. We just bought a 19 year old left back and 22 year old striker. We're trying to sign young wingers in Dibling and Fofana.

 

[smileychap]

Chermiti played in preseason. Clearly not good enough. Armstrong played in preseason. Clearly not good enough for significant minutes at the moment. Patterson = trash. Garner and McNeil are not young players. We just bought a 19 year old left back and 22 year old striker. We're trying to sign young wingers in Dibling and Fofana.

That's true, but players do need meaningful game time (not just friendlies) to improve and get match fit.

McNeil should play, he's been a successful example of my point, and an investment we're now wasting. Patterson needs a run, and is right-sided. Harrison should not have left without a plan for the right side.

I love Everton, the dis-jointed nature of this window and the effect on the pitch is lamentable, and obvious.

I have always lauded V1 Moyes and the job he did last Jan/Feb.
I have been grateful to TFG for resolving the Mosh / BK debacle.
Ultimately we've got a great new stadium, but there are clubs WAAAAY ahead of us with WAAAAY smaller stadiums!

We needed, a RB, RW, DM, CM, LB.

We've perhaps meaningfully addressed the CM in KDH. (lots of acronyms here, sorry)
The rest is an absolute mess mate. Great we've bought some young lads, I wish them all the best. It doesn't translate into the team's predicament though, and that's poor business in isolation to the team being neglected and scarcely creating a shot on goal against survival hopefuls (unless we're also survival hopefuls?). I think we WERE in a position to be better than we are.

Some + points

• Moyes is a perennial slow starter
• I think we'll make ground after Jan as successsful top half big 6 and the other successful Prem 'newbies' Palace, Forest, Brighton, Brentford, Bournemouth, Newcastle etc, run out of steam in Europe

This is not a strategy, that's simply reacting to the status of other teams. A strategy is putting in the players needed in key positions NOW, AND having credible future talent, which we've partly addressed to your point sir.

 

[HalfTimeSayers]

This is true, and a spot on post.

But this transfer window so far doesn't present a long term strategy.

Quick expensive fixes in Grealish, Ake now on the cards... It's almost like the brief is ' grind out 16th', with expensive loans, no youth and no plan for the right side of the pitch.

That's not a long term stable vision to me, but I do understand your point, and how you're right.

Playing the long term game is great when you have been doing it for 5 years and managed to cling onto PL status while you get the process up and running.

With restrictions now on what you can spend, player prices and bonkers wages, it’s nigh on impossible to get the process up and running.

Half decent players for the future or re-sale aren’t cheap, and spending a decent % of your budget on them leaves less for players right now, so hard to improve the current squad.

When you have been flirting with relegation consistently, you buy a couple of £30m+ players and have little left for the prospects. Plus, when your recent history is full of relegation worries and headlocks, the young prospects who know they won’t play often would rather sit on/in someone else’s bench/youth team.

And with a new stadium and fans desperate for a better season, be suicide for new owners to say “sorry chaps, we’ve bought all these future superstars who are currently miles off it. So just hold tight for two more seasons of hell until they develop.”

Clubs like us, and plenty others, are backed into about three different corners because the “other clubs” have ruined transfer pricing, hoover up players they don’t want or need, and agents/parents happy to see 400 kids without a squad number at Chelsea. The best way out is to accidentally get extremely lucky finding a couple of gems at the same time who can make the team better now and be sold for big money. We’ve found one, but he now seems to be injury prone.

Hope that’s cheered you up

 

[MondayHater]

To be honest Patterson doesn’t come across as good enough for this level.

 

[Kevsleftpeg]

That's true, but players do need meaningful game time (not just friendlies) to improve and get match fit.

McNeil should play, he's been a successful example of my point, and an investment we're now wasting. Patterson needs a run, and is right-sided. Harrison should not have left without a plan for the right side.

I love Everton, the dis-jointed nature of this window and the effect on the pitch is lamentable, and obvious.

I have always lauded V1 Moyes and the job he did last Jan/Feb.
I have been grateful to TFG for resolving the Mosh / BK debacle.
Ultimately we've got a great new stadium, but there are clubs WAAAAY ahead of us with WAAAAY smaller stadiums!

We needed, a RB, RW, DM, CM, LB.

We've perhaps meaningfully addressed the CM in KDH. (lots of acronyms here, sorry)
The rest is an absolute mess mate. Great we've bought some young lads, I wish them all the best. It doesn't translate into the team's predicament though, and that's poor business in isolation to the team being neglected and scarcely creating a shot on goal against survival hopefuls (unless we're also survival hopefuls?). I think we WERE in a position to be better than we are.

Some + points

• Moyes is a perennial slow starter
• I think we'll make ground after Jan as successsful top half big 6 and the other successful Prem 'newbies' Palace, Forest, Brighton, Brentford, Bournemouth, Newcastle etc, run out of steam in Europe

This is not a strategy, that's simply reacting to the status of other teams. A strategy is putting in the players needed in key positions NOW, AND having credible future talent, which we've partly addressed to your point sir.

We’ve played one game and Moyes has had 80% of a transfer window.

 

[Mr Happy]

To be honest Patterson doesn’t come across as good enough for this level.

Whats that to do with Douglas Luis ? Close thread maybe??

 

[smileychap]

Playing the long term game is great when you have been doing it for 5 years and managed to cling onto PL status while you get the process up and running.

With restrictions now on what you can spend, player prices and bonkers wages, it’s nigh on impossible to get the process up and running.

Half decent players for the future or re-sale aren’t cheap, and spending a decent % of your budget on them leaves less for players right now, so hard to improve the current squad.

When you have been flirting with relegation consistently, you buy a couple of £30m+ players and have little left for the prospects. Plus, when your recent history is full of relegation worries and headlocks, the young prospects who know they won’t play often would rather sit on/in someone else’s bench/youth team.

And with a new stadium and fans desperate for a better season, be suicide for new owners to say “sorry chaps, we’ve bought all these future superstars who are currently miles off it. So just hold tight for two more seasons of hell until they develop.”

Clubs like us, and plenty others, are backed into about three different corners because the “other clubs” have ruined transfer pricing, hoover up players they don’t want or need, and agents/parents happy to see 400 kids without a squad number at Chelsea. The best way out is to accidentally get extremely lucky finding a couple of gems at the same time who can make the team better now and be sold for big money. We’ve found one, but he now seems to be injury prone.

Hope that’s cheered you up

Kinda - it's well written at least. LOL the Chelsea point, too.

Why couldn't we go in for Nkunku instead of Grealish?