Summer Transfer Window 2025 Thread

[bluestevon]

This. Moyes and Kinnear have both commented on the challenge of bringing players in which just doesn't stack up when you look at the recruitment Sunderland have done. Everyone was mocking that Xhaka interview when he clearly didn't know much about the club, but they got him in and he played on Saturday. Diarra had a great game. Yet we're just grumbling about how hard it is to sign players. Xhaka and Diarra would both have walked into our starting 11 last night. I don't understand how we've managed to continually employ people in the recruitment department who are so incompetent. Stop making excuses and start signing players.

They brought a CB on early doors who they bought for 8m, 27/28yo and he looked instantly up to speed and rather decent in fact - we re-signed Michael Keane as no one decent would come as a backup apparently and to save money (in theory).

I think we have appointed too many business guys and not enough football guys into positions involving recruitment. I also think Moyes is too short term an appointment to be the one in charge of a massive rebuild, it's human nature that in what's his last few years as a manager his focus will not be on building something for the next guy to benefit from.

Maybe we should have made the change over to a guy like Irraola this summer in reality and brought in a genuine football person in the recruitment side with a proper pedigree.

 

[buededw1]

Maybe put Garner right back as there doesn't seem to be anyone decent out there and go for the following positions
Centre back the Polish lad from Arsenal or a freebie like Lindelof or Zouma
2x right wingers - Fellows,Dibling, George, Rowe or someone from France or Portugal
3x Midfield - Lopy, Hackney, Knight, Diomande,Luis,Brownhills (for the numbers),
Striker - anyone

The problem said does the club have the funds to do much now

This is genius & did make me laugh
'or someone from France or Portugal'
'striker - anyone'

 

[NeilMorepies]

More signings wont sort out performances like last night by the way - only coaching and proper preparation does that. You can buy all the wingers and fullbacks you want....

Pretty sure having players with the correct attributes for every position beats having to fit utterly random players in and hoping they can cope.

Training and preparation adds to performance, not utterly changes a players physical and playing attributes, inbuilt reactions and mindset. Why are players specialised in positions if it’s just a case of telling them what to do. Any player could play anywhere, and we know that isn’t true.

 

[toffee-L]

Rather than approaching this summer with excitement at the once in a decade opportunity it was, we went after it tentatively and with trepidation.

We took too long to make the easy decision on several of the out of contract players, and in the case of Coleman and Keane, made the wrong decisions altogether.

Why we went after Grealish before fixing the areas of chronic weakness in our squad I’ll never understand. I’m happy Grealish is here don’t get me wrong, but that is the type of signing that should be left until deadline day, the cherry on the cake as it where. The position he plays is one of the very few we are reasonably well stocked in. Neglecting areas of dire importance to pursue (dare I say) a vanity signing is not the sign of a club that has any semblance of a strategy in place.

Speaking of strategy, I can’t help but feel we’d be in a much better place had we retained Thelwell. I do not rate Moyes’ instincts on players nearly as high as I did during his first tenure given some of his dealings at West Ham, and our new recruitment team is currently leaving a lot to be desired.

During a summer of huge upheaval, why not retain some continuity in recruitment for someone who really didn’t do much wrong under far worse circumstances than we currently find ourselves?

 

[bluestevon]

Part of me thinks Moyes picked that line up to make exactly that point

He did some thing similar years ago when bill was promising him signings etc and wasn’t delivering … benfica away … a young Coleman playing LB and we got pumped 5-0 I think from memory

Yeah Hibbert at CB wasn't it as well?

 

[Brett Angell Delight]

More signings wont sort out performances like last night by the way - only coaching and proper preparation does that. You can buy all the wingers and fullbacks you want....

Not sure on that one, mate. Garner was never comfortable receiving the ball and played backwards on his right more often than not, to avoid using his left.

Tim isn't short of endeavour but was really low on quality with the ball.

There isn't time to coach those flaws out of players when an injury problem drops days before a game. Ironically, the one introduction to the squad that could have helped both issues is one we've already made in a backup LB. That gives us natural width and service to Illy on the left, and some (theoretically - jury is still out) more composure on the ball with Garner in the middle who could have brought KDH into play more. If Aznou has quickly been found lacking then we possibly need to dip into the loan market for an LB so the same doesn't happen again.

 

[yakublue]

Yet we could've easily won last night with those players, but instead they laboured badly and barely had an idea of what they were supposed to be doing most of the time.

Thats just poor preparation on the training ground, simple as.

Nonsense. Not a surprise they didn't look like they knew what they were doing when a number of them were playing played out of position and some of them aren't good enough for the prem (Tim in particular)

 

[Evertonthat]

Can we, erm, maybe sign some players please. Thanks in advance.

 

[Who's_up_for_cumpkins?]

They brought a CB on early doors who they bought for 8m, 27/28yo and he looked instantly up to speed and rather decent in fact - we re-signed Michael Keane as no one decent would come as a backup apparently and to save money (in theory).

I think we have appointed too many business guys and not enough football guys into positions involving recruitment. I also think Moyes is too short term an appointment to be the one in charge of a massive rebuild, it's human nature that in what's his last few years as a manager his focus will not be on building something for the next guy to benefit from.

Maybe we should have made the change over to a guy like Irraola this summer in reality and brought in a genuine football person in the recruitment side with a proper pedigree.

I put this in the Moyes thread. Moyes (understandable) short term-ism could well be causing friction recruitment side. We'll never know so it's just a theory but I concur ideally he should not be controlling recruitment he should just be a 'head coach'

It'd be interesting to know which model TFG have signed up to. I'd hope they're savvy enough that it's the modern head coach one and not handed the keys wholesale to Moyes as they felt they were in a corner.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

My opinion is the team we fielded is not good enough to survive in this league. It won't win many football matches. Absolutely no balance and no pace and power.

Injuries aside, we have a better starting 11 than the one that was the 4th best in the league after Moyes took over. 2-3 additions and we are much better squad wise than the one getting all the plaudits last season

I know everyone is frustrated but there is an awful lot of knee jerking on here

 

[Toffe3m4n]

Not sure on that one, mate. Garner was never comfortable receiving the ball and played backwards on his right more often than not, to avoid using his left.

Tim isn't short of endeavour but was really low on quality with the ball.

There isn't time to coach those flaws out of players when an injury problem drops days before a game. Ironically, the one introduction to the squad that could have helped both issues is one we've already made in a backup LB. That gives us natural width and service to Illy on the left, and some (theoretically - jury is still out) more composure on the ball with Garner in the middle who could have brought KDH into play more. If Aznou has quickly been found lacking then we possibly need to dip into the loan market for an LB so the same doesn't happen again.

Nonsense. Not a surprise they didn't look like they knew what they were doing when a number of them were playing played out of position and some of them aren't good enough for the prem (Tim in particular)

- Garner didnt have to play at LB

- Iroegbunam didnt even necessarily need to start the game full stop

Those choices are on Moyes. No one necessarily needed to play out of position last night, injuries or not.

Fact is they looked hopelessly underprepared last night and our summer transfer business to date can't be used as an excuse for that.. which even Moyes is now climbing down on.

 

[Brett Angell Delight]

Why we went after Grealish before fixing the areas of chronic weakness in our squad I’ll never understand. I’m happy Grealish is here don’t get me wrong, but that is the type of signing that should be left until deadline day, the cherry on the cake as it where. The position he plays is one of the very few we are reasonably well stocked in. Neglecting areas of dire importance to pursue (dare I say) a vanity signing is not the sign of a club that has any semblance of a strategy in place.

I'll be honest, this is one of those points that bugs me a bit.

We have tried and failed to various extents to bring in RW/RB. Grealish became an easy deal to do so, while he wouldn't have been termed a priority, we did it. It's a top quality player into the squad while we continue to work on the other deals.

I'm not saying it isn't crap that we haven't done those deals, just that we don't have the ability to make unilateral decisions on which signings we make, when, and in which order. The fact that the majority of PL teams still have pretty noticeable holes in their squads also backs that up.

After last night I assume we have to either bite the bullet on Dibling and get the deal done or move quickly onto plan Z-17, at least.

 

[Tel001]

If any manager in world football does or even thinks stuff like that then they should be sacked on the spot.

Why else would you play so many out of position?

And the only LB in the squad is not just omitted from the starting line up ( somewhat understandable given experience and age )

But is not even on the bench that constrains two GK’s

 

[MisterJ]

I don't quite understand why he didn't play three at the back then use Garner and McNeil as wing backs. At least that would have given us some kind of shape

 

[ToffeeTim]

Injuries aside, we have a better starting 11 than the one that was the 4th best in the league after Moyes took over. 2-3 additions and we are much better squad wise than the one getting all the plaudits last season

I know everyone is frustrated but there is an awful lot of knee jerking on here

I'm talking about the team last night. It was relegation standard in my opinion.

I'm sceptical on our overall recruitment so far but the injury to JB hurt us a lot.