New Everton Stadium - Hill Dickinson Stadium

[Socistep2]

Plus there is a large increase in accessible places/facilities at the new stadium which is a massive plus

 

[Tom Hughes]

Everton's generational opportunity came and went with the Kings Dock development.

As for disabled access: many events are held within a city centre and so will be well catered to for access.

I just dont think there's any empathy being shown to what it actually means for someone with multiple health issues attending BMS under present plans: if disabled people are handed a soft parking zone drop window stretching up to an hour before a game and then get picked up after the game (which is allowed "following the final whistle once crowds have dispersed"), then they are looking at a match day (if it's a 3pm KO for example) stretching from approx 1.0pm-1.30pm (allowing for drive time, say, and a drop off) and ending (after crowd dispersal and the lifting of restrictions - which means a hell of a wait for pick up) circa 7pm.

You cant account for individual capabilities to deal with that situation of course, but I'd say that's nigh on impossible for most disabled people given the hustle and bustle of a football match experience.

I say again: abstractions wont cut muster here. There's going to be a major shakeout of Everton fans who are disabled or on the older end of the age spectrum.

Perhaps, but that is not necessarily a planning permission refusal issue. That's more about the applicant knowing their client base and its requirements and ensuring adequate provision is included in their plan.

I agree completely about the Kings Dock.

 

[NathDogg]

Commander Steve and his crack team of merseytravel commandos doing sterling work for the toffees and the city as usual.

It’s alright that he hasn’t done a jot to address the appalling public transport system for the flagship regeneration project in our city, and then introduced ridiculous draconian parking restrictions across a huge area that would help everyone, including small businesses in the area. No problem, we can all just get our steps in, I assume that includes even our physically less able toffees?

Well done Commander Steve, big applauso.

I have to wonder if his laissez-faire approach would be in play for the other pl team in the city…..

 

[PhilM]

How long will that take? Im use to parking here and walking to goodison. I live in Shrewsbury so lack of knowledge

It all depends on what your average walking pace is, but I'd say on average 50–60 minutes on the way; walking back up hill, could go to 70 minutes.

 

[Sadken]

Perhaps, but that is not necessarily a planning permission refusal issue. That's more about the applicant knowing their client base and its requirements and ensuring adequate provision is included in their plan.

I agree completely about the Kings Dock.

I think going into town might be the best option and getting a taxi to BMD if there's atwo or three of you, make a day of it, finance permitting .

 

[Tom Hughes]

Well done Commander Steve, big applauso.

I have to wonder if his laissez-faire approach would be in play for the other pl team in the city…..

I don't think you need to "wonder" too much tbh.... LFC have increased capacity to over 61k over 2 phases, and no real new public transport infrastructure has been added, because the funding wasn't available and the BCR probably doesnt merit it in anycase, which is how these projects are all funded. Parking restrictions have also been increased at Anfield..

 

[Bryan+]

Not being able to get to the game. Theres a finite amount of places available for disabled parking. As for those who got to Goodison by public transport, forget it for a few years down at the dock stadium.

 

[SLAVEN BILIC]

That maybe the case for the season tickets, but for these one off hospitality packages they both offer the same perks and both are 1 token food voucher

Looks like it’s just the seat difference then. Trinity place is close to the pitch East stand and village street is back of the 2nd tier West stand.

 

[Socistep2]

I don't think you need to "wonder" too much tbh.... LFC have increased capacity to over 61k over 2 phases, and no real new public transport infrastructure has been added, because the funding wasn't available and the BCR probably doesnt merit it in anycase, which is how these projects are all funded. Parking restrictions have also been increased at Anfield..

Not close to the pit but what's it like there given for access pre and post match given large amount of out of towners ?

 

[Tom Hughes]

I think going into town might be the best option and getting a taxi to BMD if there's atwo or three of you, make a day of it, finance permitting .

Taxis may have the same problem as any car in the vicinity. ie. limited availability of road space. Ideally there needs to be a continual flow of buses from the city centre, operating mainly or wholly in their own lanes. It's just over 1 mile from the Liver Building. If the dock road and Grt Howard are kept for public transport and blue badge holders only, then each shuttle bus could probably do 4-5 trips per hr to Stanley Dock and back. The Gliders with off-board ticketing and full segregation could probably 6-8 trips an hr, which could shift thousands per hr comfortably. That, plus Merseyrail, plus scheduled buses at Scotland Rd/Stanley Rd plus walking should easily do it. Throw in football specials from several east Liverpool and other districts and many of the problems can be averted. Brighton and several other clubs had subsidise a whole network of bus routes to make their new stadium's transport plans work. We should've identified those public transport blind spots and done the same.

 

[mahermi1]

I don't think you need to "wonder" too much tbh.... LFC have increased capacity to over 61k over 2 phases, and no real new public transport infrastructure has been added, because the funding wasn't available and the BCR probably doesnt merit it in anycase, which is how these projects are all funded. Parking restrictions have also been increased at Anfield..

Has Speke airport increased their weekend flights though Tom ?

 

[davek]

You didn't answer around the provision at goodison, for me it seems there is increased provision for those with accessibility issues, more parking spaces at the stadium and a dedicated shuttle bus - at the moment I'm guessing at goodison those with accessibility issues would have to make their own way from Stanley park or battle the crowds for a closer drop off ?

It's hardly going to be a hell of a difference whatever the figure for Goodison was.

 

[Jacko93]

Taxis may have the same problem as any car in the vicinity. ie. limited availability of road space. Ideally there needs to be a continual flow of buses from the city centre, operating mainly or wholly in their own lanes. It's just over 1 mile from the Liver Building. If the dock road and Grt Howard are kept for public transport and blue badge holders only, then each shuttle bus could probably do 4-5 trips per hr to Stanley Dock and back. The Gliders with off-board ticketing and full segregation could probably 6-8 trips an hr, which could shift thousands per hr comfortably. That, plus Merseyrail, plus scheduled buses at Scotland Rd/Stanley Rd plus walking should easily do it. Throw in football specials from several east Liverpool and other districts and many of the problems can be averted. Brighton and several other clubs had subsidise a whole network of bus routes to make their new stadium's transport plans work. We should've identified those public transport blind spots and done the same.

My worry is that these Gliders will have to operate on a circular route such is there build. If they want to be like a real tram/Rapid transit system, they should be able to operate like shuttles. Forward and backwards with no turning circle. Then you have arrow like routes through the city using the shortest/quickest routes in and out and shorten transit time dramatically.

I thought that even having 3/4 Gliders simply doing the dock road post match, stadium to Moorfields and back and others covering other routes would dramatically improve the movement of people out of that area. It would need its own lane to makemtye best use of it though. We could then green light them through the Leeds Street junction. I worked with a company a few years ago called Red Ninja who developed this system for emergency vehicles, and it even analysed the junctions traffic density to dynamically alter the green light duration to clear the junction prior to the arrival of the blue light vehicle.

Make them part of the Merseytravel payment system where a ticket covers bus rail and glider, that makes people's options increase and they may change plans depending on current situation.

 

[atrottel]

That maybe the case for the season tickets, but for these one off hospitality packages they both offer the same perks and both are 1 token food voucher

Seat Unique just got back to me - Trinity Place is not a three-course meal, just one food item (whatever that means)

 

[Tom Hughes]

My worry is that these Gliders will have to operate on a circular route such is there build. If they want to be like a real tram/Rapid transit system, they should be able to operate like shuttles. Forward and backwards with no turning circle. Then you have arrow like routes through the city using the shortest/quickest routes in and out and shorten transit time dramatically.

I thought that even having 3/4 Gliders simply doing the dock road post match, stadium to Moorfields and back and others covering other routes would dramatically improve the movement of people out of that area. It would need its own lane to makemtye best use of it though. We could then green light them through the Leeds Street junction. I worked with a company a few years ago called Red Ninja who developed this system for emergency vehicles, and it even analysed the junctions traffic density to dynamically alter the green light duration to clear the junction prior to the arrival of the blue light vehicle.

Make them part of the Merseytravel payment system where a ticket covers bus rail and glider, that makes people's options increase and they may change plans depending on current situation.

Exactly..... some of the new generation of these vehicles are 3 carriage with a driving station at either end. That would be perfect for this application. With the dock road handed over to them on matchdays and Bath St opened up to them for access to the Strand. As you say, just a few of these could shifts thousands per hr. With others going further into the city centre if a clear route can be identified/created, with segregation and priority at all junctions. Then suddenly, the stadium is effectively in the city centre!