Confirmed Signing Tyler Dibling

[pfim]

Form is temporary mate, as is inevitable uplift from nuts and bolts, hard yards, I eat worms' Dyche, (See Mike Jackson!)

Moyes looked demented after his first game and was publicly shouting he doesn't know how he's going to get this team to score goals and for good reason.

He managed it, but then you look through our team - pick their best ever season for every single one and have it replicated this season and it's still not enough goals to have us top half.

The fact if you extrapolate that sample of games, and it's more than we'd have had in a decade says it all.

This team doesn't have the pace or composure in the final third to have us competing and Moyes knows it.

20 matches is more than half a season, I don't think that's form. That's taking the talent you have (even if flawed) and finding a way to play to get the most from them. Counter-attacking football, patterns of play in the final third-things we frankly have not seen since Ancelotti (who I don't think got to 50 goals in his final season).

Look, we're not world beaters and need to improve, and need depth. We don't have a 20 goal scorer in the squad, but I just don't see this as dire a situation as many. Beto with 8 in what amounted to be a half season, Ndiaye, Alcaraz, McNeil-there are 30-35 goals there. These are all guys who are in their primes or are entering their prime. And that's without a single recruit.

Again, we need more numbers (injuries would kill us, frankly) and quality, but we're not getting a proven PL 20 goal scorer in the door. It's just not happening. But if you put that starting 11 out and that you have a young, talented player pushing them...that can be successful.

 

[Neiler]

Hypothetical: £40mil for Dibling or Harrison on loan for £10mil?

That's an expensive loan mate.

 

[BlueBarrow]

Too impatient with him tbh

Agree 100% mate

 

[Joey66]

John Lennon shot.

He was, that's true - such a sad end to a life - whats that got to do with EFC Transfer as that fact is correct.... the news flashes take with a pinch of salt if you know for sure then answer the post.... if you are a ITK .....

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Beto, Ndiaye, Alcaraz, McNeil-there are 30-35 goals there. These are all guys who are in their primes or are entering their prime. And that's without a single recruit.

That's where we disagree.

[Edit] Take all 4, take their best ever goalscoring season (so 7 from McNeil rather than his career average of 3 etc) and assume they'll replicate that next season and it's still not that.

 

[kenada_blue]

How far along is this lad in his development compared to say Anthony Gordon when we sold him for similar figures?

Is he ready to come in and make a difference straight away?

Hes probably at Gordon's level when he was 19.

And we'd be asking a lot from him at £40mill

 

[Toffeepot]

Too impatient with him tbh

I recall him being impatient

 

[DanB90]

Hes probably at Gordon's level when he was 19.

It’s starting to border on obscene figures in that case, as we’re paying for the fact that he will “likely” be a good player in a couple of years.

And I worry that the figure will be used as a stick to beat him with when he isn’t pulling up trees right away.

 

[Rich1878]

I recall him being impatient

I also recall a lot of us being the same.

 

[pfim]

That's where we disagree.

They had 23 last season, and 3 of them only played half a season. It's not hard to imagine they get 7 more if they get a full season. That actually seems low, 10 each for Beto and Ndiaye, 5 each for the other two.

 

[Toffeepot]

That's where we disagree.

Really?
Those 4 got 23 goals last season
Beto played just under half the minutes
McNeil just over a third
Alcaraz 1/6th
and NDiaye 2/3rds

Think 30-35 goals between them might be on the low side next season myself

 

[Blast_of_Cannock]

More chance of us ending up with Tyler Durden...

 

[GrandOldTeam]

They had 23 last season, and 3 of them only played half a season. It's not hard to imagine they get 7 more if they get a full season. That actually seems low, 10 each for Beto and Ndiaye, 5 each for the other two.

Really?
Those 4 got 23 goals last season
Beto played just under half the minutes
McNeil just over a third
Alcaraz 1/6th
and NDiaye 2/3rds

Think 30-35 goals between them might be on the low side next season myself

For the reason I edited in;

[Edit] Take all 4, take their best ever goalscoring season (so 7 from McNeil rather than his career average of 3 etc) and assume they'll replicate that next season and it's still not that.

I can't see Beto, Ndiaye, Alcaraz, McNeil scoring 30-35 league goals between them over a season.

 

[ToffeeScot]

Really?
Those 4 got 23 goals last season
Beto played just under half the minutes
McNeil just over a third
Alcaraz 1/6th
and NDiaye 2/3rds

Think 30-35 goals between them might be on the low side next season myself

I think the problem is that you're relying on them all to have their best or very good seasons and we have seen in pre-season so far that they've played on the pitch together and our creativity and ability to score has been pretty naff. We definitely need to add.

 

[Toffeepot]

For the reason I edited in;



I can't see Beto, Ndiaye, Alcaraz, McNeil scoring 30-35 league goals between them over a season.

If they replicate what they did last season with more minutes factored in, they will. Same minutes, probably not