Summer Transfer Window 2025 Thread

[MACCA75]

Seeing this a lot in regards to our (lack of) business this summer. In theory I agree but what if the players they know are eager to join just aren't good enough?

Fellows for example might make a fine squad option/development player, but if we fill all of the holes in the starting 11 with that level of player we would be looking like strong relegation candidates imo.

I can forgive ambition to pursue better targets and to an extent we need to punch a bit above our weight this summer I think. The issue for me is them seemingly not knowing the ballpark wages and fee's we were going to need to pay for these players. Has come across like they've not completely done their homework.

There has to be somewhere in between a player at Champions league level and a player at Championship level though. I don’t get the idea Fellows would be the next choice after Fofana.

 

[windymiller]

We are not allowed, there a big sign up in FF that says
Thou Shall now buy players on the Right

Was Kenwright idea

I know that I've become obsessed with this but it drives me crazy how few people seem bothered about our RB situation, inside the club and out. There's comments and lists on this very forum saying things like "we need two players in X position" by the start of the season and position X is never RB. I genuinely think a decent RB will be transformative for this team. It will calm down the midfielders and open up the right hand side in an attacking sense. But no, let's play JOB or Garner there, that's fine. Apparently.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

I guess players will receive multiple offers and take time to consider their options. They are big moves/upheavals. Negotiations take ages on these contracts too. I don't know if there are many players that would improve us would jump at the chance of joining us. There's no point just signing players that are useless and want to join us. We'd have a squad of forum bedwetters taking us to the championship.

All can be true, but still not sure it makes enough allowance to shrug an an say you can't force players to join us.

Seeing this a lot in regards to our (lack of) business this summer. In theory I agree but what if the players they know are eager to join just aren't good enough?

Fellows for example might make a fine squad option/development player, but if we fill all of the holes in the starting 11 with that level of player we would be looking like strong relegation candidates imo.

I can forgive ambition to pursue better targets and to an extent we need to punch a bit above our weight this summer I think. The issue for me is them seemingly not knowing the ballpark wages and fee's we were going to need to pay for these players. Has come across like they've not completely done their homework.

This thread just goes around in circles mate. Some of my opinions below which touch on what you're saying there;

Is it better to have a perhaps half hearted, but much better player here using us as a stepping stone in August (a Fofana), or someone down the list in July who is over the moon to be here (Maybe Fellows)?

Theres a fair few players we're in for, Kubo (their tour finishes 24th), Grealish, McAtee, Hutchinson, Hackney etc who haven't moved yet though.

So while it is concerning, it's much less concerning than previous years when we've been desperately short without the capacity to make changes.

At some point, needs must will kick in and we'll either overpay, or move down the list to more pragmatic names.

On this, I do wonder whether we'll risk also needing to overpay for the Tom Fellows types. Because teams won't want to lose players so late in the window/once seasons start.

On Fellows too - seems a common example, but I read (Athletic I think) that we decided against taking him in January.

I think if Moyes wanted him, he'd have been in by now. We need more than one winger.

 

[MrGrumpy]

The fact there are no concrete links to anyone doesnt help either. We're all scrambling around desperate for something and nothing seems to be cooking.

Think that’s a huge problem, these lot don’t leak info, as such it seems like they are sat in the office playing 52 card pick up, when really there working on deals

 

[Lanolin]

Like I say, Moyes gave him limited minutes at the end of the season even though Lindstrom was out. He clearly does not rate and basically called out his level of returns.

This just isn't true, i don't know where it's come from, he started 14 of the 19 league games under Moyes and came on in another 3. That isn't limited minutes in anyones book.

 

[MrGrumpy]

I know that I've become obsessed with this but it drives me crazy how few people seem bothered about our RB situation, inside the club and out. There's comments and lists on this very forum saying things like "we need two players in X position" by the start of the season and position X is never RB. I genuinely think a decent RB will be transformative for this team. It will calm down the midfielders and open up the right hand side in an attacking sense. But no, let's play JOB or Garner there, that's fine. Apparently.

We need pace as well which is again something we don’t seem to buy

 

[Lloydaldo11]

Been avoiding this thread.

Moyes is annoying me tho. His public comments won't be helping us convince players or negotiate fees, generally seems a ridiculous tone to take (unless he himself is unhappy and looking for a way out).

Something bubbling behind the scenes. He was outspoken about the owners on the last day of the season too.

If he’s part of this consortium type thing on transfers then it’s on his head too.

Got me thinking though that part of the “project” players talk about is the manager too and how they see them improving them.

Let’s face it, moyes is here to theoretically steady the ship not be here for the long term and perhaps that is part of the issues (not all) we face with attracting players. That plus we are punching above our weight trying to sign champs league players for pittance.

Should be a long term 3 year plan of building the squad step by step like a few others have done but here we are going for broke in one window

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Think that’s a huge problem, these lot don’t leak info, as such it seems like they are sat in the office playing 52 card pick up, when really there working on deals

Alcaraz come from nowhere (though Thelwell did try an sign him before he went to Southampton, but alas, skint).

Not sure the rest is true though - we all knew about players we've signed, long before they actually did.

 

[mikel_88]

All can be true, but still not sure it makes enough allowance to shrug an an say you can't force players to join us.



This thread just goes around in circles mate. Some of my opinions below which touch on what you're saying there;







On Fellows too - seems a common example, but I read (Athletic I think) that we decided against taking him in January.

I think if Moyes wanted him, he'd have been in by now. We need more than one winger.

Same i dont really get why be back in for him, i could be well off but think the plan would be to have mcatee for rm and cam with also another winger day fofana or similar profile who is more direct

 

[mahermi1]

My opinion we were too late getting this recruitment team together and maybe too quick getting shut of Thelwell, surely he could have been retained for a transition period ? Overall poor planning from TFG hope us the fans don't pay for it later on.
We look clueless and panicky all over the pitch centre midfield needs a starter right side fullback and wing needs solutions asap.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

This just isn't true, i don't know where it's come from, he started 14 of the 19 league games under Moyes and came on in another 3. That isn't limited minutes in anyones book.

he had been playing constant 90 minutes for months and then, even though Lindstrom was injured he played 63,12,61,25 minutes for the run in. It was clear moyes had had enough, he also then made reference to his lack of end product.

Ill never say never BUT, highly unlikely.

 

[Double Negative]

I've been out with my grandsons (6 and 2)today and their mother, and you and @davek have the same dynamic haha. I imagine you sitting there just exasperated with it all.

Strange names…

 

[Neiler]

In my opinion we have to have a couple in by August 8.

They surely have to have options outside the names we've heard for weeks. Moyes has his preferences clearly, but I wouldn't accept that other options have to be lesser players by default.

We have to mitigate now. The nightmare scenario is that we do no further business and head into deadline day wanting six players. We wouldn't get them all and such an approach would be sheer lunacy. It's all too easy to imagine them being left with egg on their face.

We have to cut our losses to an extent and ensure we have a squad capable of sustaining the season. Plan A hasn't worked.

I think its your appetite for risk mate, at this point i dont think we actually need much to improve the starting 11 - id be prepared to hold out for the three in but prob four players, if we have a chance. Of course you mitigate that, we should have say Tom Fellows or the like waiting for our call, like Fofana has us waiting. So you keep your plan A and plan B live.

We've brought 4 in before August which under normal circumstances is very active business for us - its the volume that is perceived we need tha creates the panic. Really i think its only 3/4 coming into the staring 11.

Id be inclined to stick with out top targets and be patient, id have contangoes in place - talking to b and c players.

 

[Lanolin]

he had been playing constant 90 minutes for months and then, even though Lindstrom was injured he played 63,12,61,25 minutes for the run in. It was clear moyes had had enough, he also then made reference to his lack of end product.

Ill never say never BUT, highly unlikely.

Convenient missing out of the 90 in the last game there to make it sound like a good point. As I said, 14 starts and 3 sub appearances out of 19 games. Suggesting Moyes didn't pick him or limited his time on the pitch is just demonstrably untrue. It doesn't mean he loves him or we'll resign him, but I really don't see the point in pretending stuff didn't happen when it did.

 

[Pabbers]

We need 2 right wingers for me....and not 'attackers that CAN play on the right' - But actual right wingers with pace to beat a man.

MCatee is not that player, neither is Fofana...Kubo, Fellows & Harrison are the only right wingers we have been linked with.