2024/25 David Moyes

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Toffe3m4n said:
The more I think about it, Moyes is a divvy for saying '9-10 players' when that was never realistically going to happen..

At best, it's giving fans false hope and a narrative to spin. At worst, it's potentially throwing things behind the scenes into disrepute.

Saying we're 'desperate' last night when it's still July is even worse really..
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Season starts in 2 weeks btw.
 

Rollo Tomassi said:
Last five seasons finishing positions


20/21 - 10th
21/22 - 16th
22/23 - 17th
23/24 - 15th*
24/25 - 13th

* 8 points deducted and 12th without it.

2 seasons out of the last 5 you could class as fighting relegation so he is talking guff.
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Alternatively, we gotta go back to 2020/21 with Ancelotti for us to be safe and not fight relegation for a full season.

21/22 - Palace last day of the season, 39 points
22/23 - Bournemouth last day of the season, 36 points
23/24 - battling relegation all year, no win for four months, glory run in the last 5 games; 40 points, arsed about the deduction as we were gonners without it for a while too.
24/25 - Dyche had us going down on 1 point per game from the first 17 or so. Moyes saved us from that by going on a good run as soon as he got the job.

So is it guff? Yeah! It's not 2, it's 3 and a half, so technically he did lie.
 
DualityNSNO said:
Realistically we do need 9-10 players of varying ability and readiness - we need at least 4 more first team players and several subs/rotation options currently. Or do you mean we'll go in with 16 players again and hope no one gets injured ever, and just never send them to the ACN in December?

Damned if he does and all that - if he'd said "yeah we can do it with 2-3 fresh additions" people would be pissed either way.
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We have more than 16 players right now mate. Closer to 20-21 senior players with a month of the window to go. This narrative that we only have a first XI and a handful of kids for the bench is just false..
 

Toffe3m4n said:
The more I think about it, Moyes is a divvy for saying '9-10 players' when that was never realistically going to happen..

At best, it's giving fans false hope and a narrative to spin. At worst, it's potentially throwing things behind the scenes into disrepute.

Saying we're 'desperate' last night when it's still July is even worse really..
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Back to the 'knife to a gunfight' dour Davey days. Moyes is laying the groundwork for us getting beat again tonight, and not starting well in August/September. Making sure the people's court believes its not Moyes fault. Its all on the Board and the window, can't attract good players, etc.
 
Rollo Tomassi said:
Last five seasons finishing positions


20/21 - 10th
21/22 - 16th
22/23 - 17th
23/24 - 15th*
24/25 - 13th

* 8 points deducted and 12th without it.

2 seasons out of the last 5 you could class as fighting relegation so he is talking guff.
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To be fair, that’s where we might have finished, but large parts of the last 4 seasons we’ve been sat here at New Years cacking them about relegation.

Until we realised how crap the promoted teams were.
 
There's echoes of his last year at West Ham where he wasn't on the same page as the transfer people which is why I wasn't overly keen on having
Moyes back as he's an old school manager wanting control over that aspect of the club where football now is more about the coach coaches and the Director of Football and the recruitment team set the strategy for the club as a whole
 
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Toffe3m4n said:
We have more than 16 players right now mate. Closer to 20-21 senior players with a month of the window to go. This narrative that we only have a first XI and a handful of kids for the bench is just false..
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Yeah, on paper we have 19 first team players.

We're missing a right winger, a second right back (or first, depending on how Davek you are), a central midfielder, and we genuinely have no one for the right wing :lol: And that's first team players alone, no backups/rotation options.

It's not even remotely close to a full squad, position wise, let alone quality wise, and the season starts in a few weeks. Unless we start moving in for players, we're looking at a month or two of struggle early on at the least, or we're hoping a few players never pick up any knocks again.

So in that, yes, Moyes is right - we need at least 4 more in.

Saying it again, the ACN starts 21st of December, we're losing a few players then as well.
 
DualityNSNO said:
Alternatively, we gotta go back to 2020/21 with Ancelotti for us to be safe and not fight relegation for a full season.

21/22 - Palace last day of the season, 39 points
22/23 - Bournemouth last day of the season, 36 points
23/24 - battling relegation all year, no win for four months, glory run in the last 5 games; 40 points, arsed about the deduction as we were gonners without it for a while too.
24/25 - Dyche had us going down on 1 point per game from the first 17 or so. Moyes saved us from that by going on a good run as soon as he got the job.

So is it guff? Yeah! It's not 2, it's 3 and a half, so technically he did lie.
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We were in some degree of relegation trouble at the turn of the year for 4 seasons in a row. One of them through a points deduction rather than performance, but we were still in a bad position.

I'd say poor starts were a major reason why we've been in such a bad position after the half way mark of the season
 
davek said:
That's not true as far as I'm concerned.

He's talked about how Dyche left a disciplined well trained squad but that we're short all over the pitch. And he's spoken about eventually getting back to higher standards.

That's just perfunctory talk you'd expect. There's no ambition on display.
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Moyes has constantly told the media that Everton belong higher up the table and that "we" have higher standards. He stated his ambition for Everton to be competing for European places.

To answer your "ambition on display" comment, look at the vast improvement we made in the second half of the season. I'm not saying we were great but we played better and we got some decent results.

The ambition is still there, Moyes wants a solid transfer window and he's not settling for squad fillers. He is being open about his frustration and can see why because we are a side that has been in relegation battles for a few years. That's not a lack of ambition, that's realism and an acknowledgement which we can all agree on.

I can't tell you a lot about the players we brought in so far but Alcaraz was definitely a no-brainer. Aznou could potentially be a great asset on our left side but I can't make any judgement on that yet.

It's a huge two weeks coming up. In a way, I'm glad we haven't rushed things because we could so easily have had Jack Harrison back for a third spell and nobody wants that.
 
DualityNSNO said:
Yeah, on paper we have 19 first team players.

We're missing a right winger, a second right back (or first, depending on how Davek you are), a central midfielder, and we genuinely have no one for the right wing :lol: And that's first team players alone, no backups/rotation options.

It's not even remotely close to a full squad, position wise, let alone quality wise, and the season starts in a few weeks. Unless we start moving in for players, we're looking at a month or two of struggle early on at the least, or we're hoping a few players never pick up any knocks again.

So in that, yes, Moyes is right - we need at least 4 more in.

Saying it again, the ACN starts 21st of December, we're losing a few players then as well.
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As of right now...

Pickford

JOB - Tarkowski - Branthwaite - Myko

Garner ------- Gana

Ndiaye ------ Alcaraz ------ McNeil

Beto​

Subs: -

Travers
Patterson
Keane
Coleman
Aznou
Iroegbunam
Armstrong
Chermiti
Barry

That's the squad as it stands, worst case. Injuries permitting, that's enough to see us through to the end of the transfer window surely?
 

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