Kneecap

[neil999]

Is death to the IDF inciting murder?

The "death" is a metaphorical death isn't it?

Yes and the idf is an army and the likelihood of someone travelling from Glastonbury to Israel to kill someone in the idf is somewhat unlikely, unlike the very strong likelihood of someone being inspired by lucy connelly burn hotels.tweet....there the difference and that's what would be said in a court of law

 

[PITA]

That’s a different debate altogether. This thread is about kneecap and the efforts around the UK government to label the lead singer as someone who committed an act of terrorism and the BBC who sought to restrict the broadcast of their performance. As it turned out they went ahead with the broadcast but it doesn’t excuse them for actively attempting to block the broadcast of Kneecaps performance.

As for Bob Vylan, I agree with you, inciting murder is crossing the line and rightly it should be looked at by the police. You can get your message across without resorting to that kind of rhetoric.

Again you have too look at this as a band trying to be edgy and playing up to the crowd. But if you posted that stuff on social media the likely outcome would be arrest and prosecution. It will probably only serve to give them an air of notoriety and quite possibly enhance their careers.

That's a bit of a stretch.

 

[LostLegend]

In regards (again) to Bob Vylan, I think it’s more the selective outrage that’s the big issue for me.

They’ve always been very outspoken and controversial, the fact that it’s the IDF shout that’s the ‘line’ says a lot.

Especially considering in the same set they played their track ‘wicked and bad’ (a track they also played live in the BBC studio during last years coverage) which contains the line:
Let's go dig up Maggie's grave and ask her where that milk went
Down to storm those Downing doors, run inside and kill them
Eat the rich, eat the rich before they turn and eat your children
England's ending, death's still pending, burn those f**ing buildings

Not a peep from anyone though.

It’s quite something when the state and it’s broadcaster are more outraged about an on stage chant than an actual genocide taking place.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

The BBC took the step of not broadcasting live because of the trouble they would be in if a member of Kneecap made an inflammatory comment or potentially criminal statement. The broadcaster is liable for what they choose to broadcast so from a risk perspective it's understandable they opted for caution and probably had to let their legal teams or whoever give the performance the once over to ensure they weren't falling foul of the regulations that govern the BBC.

You only have to look at the hammering they're getting this morning over broadcasting Bob Vylan to understand that cautious approach around the broadcast of Kneecap who beforehand were probably seen, rightly or wrongly, as the riskier proposition.

For me it's not the BBC working hand in hand with the Government to slap a troublesome Irish singer down. It's them being bound by regulations under which they have to work. The fact that they are being accused of being right wing authoritarian censors while also being criticised for being left wing loonies platforming terrorist mantra clearly illustrates the balancing act required.

Fair point

 

[LostLegend]

 

[Papa Shango]

Worst post ever! The Kinks headlined the first worthy farm festival and are considered a political band. Glasto has been political since it became a regular event in the 80's

What you are basically saying is you don't like THIS kind of politics (calling out genocide)

The arts in general are quite often politically linked. It's the only way people can "do" something like raise awareness because lets face it we are all pretty powerless.

There were people on the stage this weekend who were well known for their political commentary 50+ years ago! As you say its certainly nothing new.

 

[orchard]

Is death to the IDF inciting murder?

The "death" is a metaphorical death isn't it?

Could be interpreted as calling for the termination of the institution.

 

[Papa Shango]

No it's not. They can broadcast it on any other TV network. But you can't have it on the BBC. It's impartial.

Would you think the same if someone got on stage and said "death to all Palestinians"?

Surely the parallel to be made here would be death to Hamas the PLA or something?

Otherwise it would be death to Israel which would quite rightly be chastised.

 

[Charro]

It's just so weird.

We all know what was chanted. We all know what was meant with that chant.

Yet, here we are. The Daily Mail front page yesterday reports "death to Israelis was chanted. The BBC are reporting Bob Vylan called for the death of Israeli soldiers.

None of which are true, yet two of the biggest sources of news in this country are happy to report blatant misinformation.

The Mail certainly wouldn't have a leg to stand on if Bob Vylan decided to take it to court for defamation.

 

[Blue 1]

It's just so weird.

We all know what was chanted. We all know what was meant with that chant.

Yet, here we are. The Daily Mail front page yesterday reports "death to Israelis was chanted. The BBC are reporting Bob Vylan called for the death of Israeli soldiers.

None of which are true, yet two of the biggest sources of news in this country are happy to report blatant misinformation.

The Mail certainly wouldn't have a leg to stand on if Bob Vylan decided to take it to court for defamation.

Would he even be out of order if he was calling for the literal death of Israeli soldiers? They are carrying out massacres and war crimes almost daily, using starvation as a tool of war, are engaged in ethnic cleansing, and arguably genocide.

 

[Brightonblue]

No it's not. They can broadcast it on any other TV network. But you can't have it on the BBC. It's impartial.

Would you think the same if someone got on stage and said "death to all Palestinians"?

The BBC is far from impartial though.
Their coverage of recent and past events has been outrageous.
Unfortunately it will continue to be so.

 

[dublinbluenose]

Was always only about trying to get them banned from Glastonbury. A massive waste of time and money trying to sling mud and hope it sticks. This was always going to be the outcome.

Terrorism inquiry into Kneecap’s alleged call to murder Tory MPs dropped, Met Police confirms

Force says alleged offences happened outside the statutory time limit for prosecution and decision does not impact other prosecution

www.irishtimes.com

 

[Tramps_mate]

In regards (again) to Bob Vylan, I think it’s more the selective outrage that’s the big issue for me.

They’ve always been very outspoken and controversial, the fact that it’s the IDF shout that’s the ‘line’ says a lot.

Especially considering in the same set they played their track ‘wicked and bad’ (a track they also played live in the BBC studio during last years coverage) which contains the line:
Let's go dig up Maggie's grave and ask her where that milk went
Down to storm those Downing doors, run inside and kill them
Eat the rich, eat the rich before they turn and eat your children
England's ending, death's still pending, burn those f**ing buildings

Not a peep from anyone though.

It’s quite something when the state and it’s broadcaster are more outraged about an on stage chant than an actual genocide taking place.

But say anything remotely against Israel then the BBC outrage comes!

 

[Alanbileysfeathercut]

Sophie Ducker says hi....

 

[Rita_Poon]

Reform's Amanda Clare charged with assault and criminal damage

The councillor has been charged in connection with an incident at a Pride event, police said.

www.bbc.co.uk

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