Confirmed Signing Thierno Barry

[DanB90]

I said the same about Tammy Abraham. Scored goals everywhere and is still only 27. Had a poor season by his standards last year after bad injury and some on here have decided he’s finished. Personally as a third ‘experienced’ striker with Beto and Barry I think he would make a lot of sense.. especially as we could probably do a loan deal with Roma.

Would have no issue with him on loan, but I wouldn’t take the risk signing him permanently.

Every chance that big injury could mean he never gets back to his best.

 

[Kevsleftpeg]

So you admit there's a possibility he was decent in two performances compared to one? Thanks.

I didn't watch him. The one game I have seen him in he was awful and I don't recall anyone on here being blown a way by how he played in the other games. He did score a tap in against Georgia though.

 

[Bluesnapper]

Exactly not good enough, we need a statement signing.

Thanks to Kenwright / Moshiri there are two reasons we can't make a statement signing.

1 position in the PL in recent years doesn't lend itself to statement signings

2 we haven't the dough to make statement signings

 

[Zatara]

This is just getting stupid.

If it is so easy to have to good strikers that both deliver goals without playing together, why is there hardly any team in world football that choose to do that? Why should that work out fine for Moyes now when it never has in his 25 years in management?

Dobvyk and Sørloth where a year younger last summer. Both of them.

Resell value is important, but just as important as age is what you paid for them and what you are paying them. You'd expect Barry to be on very modest salary in Villareal and that is the most important reason for him to give up life in Spain and Champions League football for a struggling Premier League team that plays awful defensive football.

But what if Barry fails at Everton? What is he doesn't get starts after having been signed for £30 million and tripled his wages. What is the market for him in 18 or 24 months? If he doesn't start for Everton, no one in England will buy him. And outside of England there are only a handful of teams that are willing to pay +£20 million and offer Premier League wages to players. If he's good enough for these teams, he's one of Evertons best players.

If resell value is important, you play your most expensive players. One season for Barry as backup for Beto and there's hardly any value left.

Manchester United thought they were smart when they signed Højlund. Young. Resell value. Two years later they can't get rid of him. They'll end up sending him on loan or to sell him for half of what they paid for him. He is younger than Barry, much better and he has played 95 matches in two seasons.

Strange you use Hojlund as an example.

If he was used as a rotation option (as Barry may be to begin with) and there was an experienced CF in the squad to take the weight and pressure off his shoulders...

...he would be able to develop at his own pace and not be thrown to the wolves.

If we sign a young player then that cant mean we sell Beto. That would be absolute madness.

 

[Toffe3m4n]

For sure based on his age and his numbers. Not based on his performance last night. Do you think if the owners are on the fence about signing him Moyes will show the highlights of his performance last night to convince them?

Well no... because showing them those 45 minute highlights in isolation would be completely ridiculous??

 

[Kevsleftpeg]

Strange you use Hojlund as an example.

If he was used as a rotation option (as Barry may be to begin with) and there was an experienced CF in the squad to take the weight and pressure off his shoulders...

...he would be able to develop at his own pace and not be thrown to the wolves.

If we sign a young player then that cant mean we sell Beto. That would be absolute madness.

The point I think you are missing is that we are not in a position where we can afford to splash out a significant amount of our transfer budget on a striker who isn't going to be first choice and therefore doesn't improve our starting line up.

 

[Kevsleftpeg]

Well no... because showing them those 45 minute highlights in isolation would be completely ridiculous??

So you agree it was a dismal performance. Look, we all want to think the players we are signing are good but the level of copium on display isn't healthy.

 

[preposterousvelios]

For sure based on his age and his numbers. Not based on his performance last night. Do you think if the owners are on the fence about signing him Moyes will show the highlights of his performance last night to convince them?

I genuinely think he could do. TFG are clearly interested in data and analytics having bought that company. Barry came on yesterday in a game in which his team were really struggling and had four big chances.

When using data to scout strikers the move is generally to look for players that are underperforming their xg as opposed to overperforming, the thinking being that these are the players most likely to improve their output and increase their value.

And before anyone shouts at me about that being stupid or something about DCL, I'm not saying that's right or wrong or what my opinion is. I just know for a fact that this is how data focused recruitment works in 2025.

 

[Toffe3m4n]

So you agree it was a dismal performance. Look, we all want to think the players we are signing are good but the level of copium on display isn't healthy.

No mate - it's purely because I'd hope that Moyes et al wouldn't be completely swayed one way or another on a single 45 minute performance like... and that should go for any player we look at.

 

[Zatara]

I genuinely think he could do. TFG are clearly interested in data and analytics having bought that company. Barry came on yesterday in a game in which his team were really struggling and had four big chances.

When using data to scout strikers the move is generally to look for players that are underperforming their xg as opposed to overperforming, the thinking being that these are the players most likely to improve their output and increase their value.

And before anyone shouts at me about that being stupid or something about DCL, I'm not saying that's right or wrong or what my opinion is. I just know for a fact that this is how data focused recruitment works in 2025.

He was so close that with a little more spice could have had a hattrick.

Wonder who would be crying in here then.

 

[Kevsleftpeg]

I genuinely think he could do. TFG are clearly interested in data and analytics having bought that company. Barry came on yesterday in a game in which his team were really struggling and had four big chances.

When using data to scout strikers the move is generally to look for players that are underperforming their xg as opposed to overperforming, the thinking being that these are the players most likely to improve their output and increase their value.

And before anyone shouts at me about that being stupid or something about DCL, I'm not saying that's right or wrong or what my opinion is. I just know for a fact that this is how data focused recruitment works in 2025.

Maybe, the fact that he didn't display any of the other skills required for a striker wouldn't count in his favour.

 

[BigBeto1]

Exactly not good enough, we need a statement signing.

We can’t convince someone to pick us over Fulham. We aren’t making a statement signing

 

[Kevsleftpeg]

No mate - it's purely because I'd hope that Moyes et al wouldn't be completely swayed one way or another on a single 45 minute performance like... and that should go for any player we look at.

I'm not saying anyone should be swayed by one performance. But people need to admit that it wasn't an impressive display.

 

[MACCA75]

Just go get Ivan Toney.

 

[Kevsleftpeg]

We can’t convince someone to pick us over Fulham. We aren’t making a statement signing

At least not the type of statement that we would be encouraged by.