New Everton Owners: The Friedkin Group

[Toffe3m4n]

We used to do it until the Moshiri years.

The game has moved well on from those days Dave. Surely you accept that?

 

[davek]

I've said for a while Dave that eventually the DOF role will eat itself. It was brought in to provide stability but in this age where every man, cat and dog is open to scrutiny, having a DOF no longer guarantees any stability.

However, it's interesting to note that we haven't actually appointed a DoF. The 4 roles are independent of each other and none of them holds a more powerful position than the manager, which you just can't say when you appoint a DoF.

Nick Cox - Technical director. His remit is to ensure that facilities, both medical and sporting are fit for purpose. He will also be performing this role for the womens team. He will have no involvement in transfer activity.

James Smith - Worked with Moyes for 10 years. Head of Scouting and recruitment. His job is to identify players, both personally and by using the scouting network he will help to shape. I highly doubt he will be going over the managers head.

Chris Howarth - He is there to ensure the scouting team can make the best use of analytics. He won't be dictating transfer policy.

Nick Hammond - Player trading. As in actually negotiating the in's and out's, he won't be deciding who is sold or bought, just working to ensure the club strike the best deals possible.

If one person - a DoF- was performing the above duties then he wields a lot of power, compartmentalised like this though, the power is diluted and not one of them can just ride roughshod over what the manager might think. It also means that all of them are also able to handle the same matters for the women's team.

Yeah that's fine.

So maybe the real objection is the fetishising of these appointments by our fans who have given a fanfare to all of them like they actually mean something substantial rather than the filling of posts that had to be filled in any case?

They do that because they're just about starved of quality football players being signed by this club, so they displace that enthusiasm over to a load of pen pushing behind the scenes technocrats.

 

[Exeter_Gently]

Lipuwls is more convoluted than ours. @davek

 

[davek]

The all powerful manager who dictates the style , direction and purchasing of the club ?
(Plus pockets a few backhanders in the transfer window , no doubt .)
Then the manager fails so you have to replace him and are faced with either continuing with the failed style of play , or going in a different direction with a prolonged and perilous transitional period .
Continuity is the reason for new structures .
The need to have an holistic view of the club and its overall direction. You need a structure that links the academy recruitment and playing style to the first team to maximise the amount of players who can progress.
In truth , like any other business, the structure evolves and is never set in stone.
Originally football clubs were run by committee , they selected and purchased the players , the trainer was the man responsible for training and match days .
The idea of a manager who gradually undertook the role of the committee was part of the continued evolution of football .
Football has moved away from the powerful manager role over the last 20 years or more in pursuit of continuity and because of the observation that clubs who have deepened and broadened their structure begin to enjoy more success and stability with ultimately less cost.

None of those plans to ensure 'continuity' at clubs ever stand up to the rigours of reality.

Football clubs are all about personalities at a decision making level. The model that owners would like to see in play are just an abstract ideal of how they should be run which they try to overlay from their own core business existence.

 

[davek]

Lipuwls is more convoluted than ours. @davek View attachment 314051

Daft as a brush stuff that is.

Like any manager worth their salt, if Slot/Klopp whatever didn't get their way they'd be out the door.

 

[lieneverton]

Yeah that's fine.

So maybe the real objection is the fetishising of these appointments by our fans who have given a fanfare to all of them like they actually mean something substantial rather than the filling of posts that had to be filled in any case?

They do that because they're just about starved of quality football players being signed by this club, so they displace that enthusiasm over to a load of pen pushing behind the scenes technocrats.

I think that's in itself the point though Dave. For the first time in a long long time it feels like we're actually trying to be a serious football club and its given a bit of excitement.

The proof is of course in the pudding, and that's all that ultimately matters, but the signs are encouraging and for a fanbase who - as you point out - have been starved of quality players and frankly just some competence in how the club is run, I don't begrudge people having some optimism for once.

 

[davek]

The game has moved well on from those days Dave. Surely you accept that?

It's only been 6 months!

 

[Toffe3m4n]

It's only been 6 months!

Ey? Moshiri came in around 2015.. so more like 10 years?

 

[John from Bootle]

Yeah that's fine.

So maybe the real objection is the fetishising of these appointments by our fans who have given a fanfare to all of them like they actually mean something substantial rather than the filling of posts that had to be filled in any case?

They do that because they're just about starved of quality football players being signed by this club, so they displace that enthusiasm over to a load of pen pushing behind the scenes technocrats.

FWIW Dave, I think it's one too many. The one being Hammond. The only reason I think that is because I'm looking at the CEO and wondering 'can't you do that.?' Maybe he just wants to concentrate on the business side of things though. Gut instinct tells me that Hammond is basically a deputy CEO of sorts.

 

[Neiler]

Lipuwls is more convoluted than ours. @davek View attachment 314051

Hans Leitert - Head of Global Goalkeeping - dropped a clanger on Karius.

 

[MikeH72]

It's only been 6 months!

No it hasn’t, it’s been nearly 10 years? You said “until the Moshiri years”, you’re wanting us to go back to operating how we did pre-Moshiri, which was 10 years ago.

 

[brieverton]

With the committee structure, the risks are groupthink, no or muddled leadership, and slow / indecisive decision-making.

But those risks are inherent in any group and our "committee" is relatively small.

They do have to be allowed some time and space to develop working relationships with each other even though our need this summer is great.

It would have been much better if this could have been put together months ago but they did have to wait to get their chosen appointments in.

For me it comes down to Kinnear. This seems to be his initiative. You would assume he has formed a view on what will work based on previous experience and emerging trends and he has had senior roles at Leeds, West Ham, and Arsenal.

This structure, and what it delivers or otherwise, is largely on him. He has to provide the leadership, direction, and clarity. It is Moyes that should report to him as the senior executive.

 

[Lob]

I am so glad we moved away from the DOF structure. The only way that would work for us is if the DOF was both the DOF and the Manager so both roles want the same things.

Gonna to be interesting to see how this new set up works and it looks as though the Manager is going to have a fair bit of oomph which is better i think. It is he who has to work them. Nothing worse than some lobbing you over 8 number 10s and saying look I’ve signed you some players, now over to you.

 

[matty1878]

I am so glad we moved away from the DOF structure. The only way that would work for us is if the DOF was both the DOF and the Manager so both roles want the same things.

Gonna to be interesting to see how this new set up works and it looks as though the Manager is going to have a fair bit of oomph which is better i think. It is he who has to work them. Nothing worse than some lobbing you over 8 number 10s and saying look I’ve signed you some players, now over to you.

was the DOF job of recruitment and the academy?

 

[pfim]

I am so glad we moved away from the DOF structure. The only way that would work for us is if the DOF was both the DOF and the Manager so both roles want the same things.

Gonna to be interesting to see how this new set up works and it looks as though the Manager is going to have a fair bit of oomph which is better i think. It is he who has to work them. Nothing worse than some lobbing you over 8 number 10s and saying look I’ve signed you some players, now over to you.

The only way it works is if the manager works for the DoF. I don't think that was ever the case here.