New Everton Owners: The Friedkin Group

[Neiler]

I am slightly sceptical that we will be bringing in 8- 10 players during this window.
Regardless of the financial implications ( and no one outside the club knows for certain what we have to spend ) the logistics of bringing in this many players ( negotiations, agents etc , etc ) are daunting.
I also doubt any coach would want to face the prospect of blending so many players into the group, given that all coaches prefer a smaller tight nit group as opposed to a sprawling organisation that becomes a breeding ground for dissatisfaction and discontent.
This is all accentuated by the fact our new administrative structure will need time to settle in.
My guess would be 3 or 4 players with the emphasis on suitability, need and quality.
Not a massive Forest like splurge of bulk purchases.

It’s why we will see the Walkers, Walker Peters etc and loans if we can get them.

If we are going to focus quality in certain areas, compromises or stop gaps will need to be made in others.

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

It’s why we will see the Walkers, Walker Peters etc and loans if we can get them.

If we are going to focus quality in certain areas, compromises or stop gaps will need to be made in others.

As long as those stop gaps don’t become financial burdens in future windows and arrest our development.
Those players you reference above would both command significant remuneration at the top end of our wage bill , regardless of quality .
As loans they would make sense , as permanent signings , less so .
Wages more so than transfer fees are what we need to pay particular attention to.
Saddling ourselves with older players on a downward trajectory who still expect to trouser top dollar for a few years of work is following a familiar and fruitless pathway.

 

[Neiler]

As long as those stop gaps don’t become financial burdens in future windows and arrest our development.
Those players you reference above would both command significant remuneration at the top end of our wage bill , regardless of quality .
As loans they would make sense , as permanent signings , less so .
Wages more so than transfer fees are what we need to pay particular attention to.
Saddling ourselves with older players on a downward trajectory who still expect to trouser top dollar for a few years of work is following a familiar and fruitless pathway.

The theory is fine mate, but you see the conundrum.

Personally think compromises are inevitable.

 

[Zatara]

It’s why we will see the Walkers, Walker Peters etc and loans if we can get them.

If we are going to focus quality in certain areas, compromises or stop gaps will need to be made in others.

As long as those stop gaps don’t become financial burdens in future windows and arrest our development.
Those players you reference above would both command significant remuneration at the top end of our wage bill , regardless of quality .
As loans they would make sense , as permanent signings , less so .
Wages more so than transfer fees are what we need to pay particular attention to.
Saddling ourselves with older players on a downward trajectory who still expect to trouser top dollar for a few years of work is following a familiar and fruitless pathway.

I dont think the likes of Walker-Peters are a good idea. He's not that good and would want a few years on a deal.

Walker may not be the answer but i can live with both him and Tagliafico for 1 maybe 2 seasons if theres sizeable investment in top young players.

 

[Neiler]

I dont think the likes of Walker-Peters are a good idea. He's not that good and would want a few years on a deal.

Walker may not be the answer but i can live with both him and Tagliafico for 1 maybe 2 seasons if theres sizeable investment in top young players.

I think this is the thing mate.

Sure we all know theory, buy young players, high resale value etc, truth being for a player to cut muster at that profile, you’re looking at 15 -30 million. And 15 is kind because you are looking at a fixer upper, like Illy or Alcaraz down on their luck.

Conservatively bringing in 10 is 150 million. But it’s really more you aren’t getting a striker for South of 30 mill, so in all likely hood, somewhere between £200-£300 million, we aren’t spending that in my opinion, So you have three options.

1 Spend the money, we don’t have the PSR headroom nor the ability to not make a loss as a business to do that.

2. Generate funds - sell Branthwaite really.

3. Comprise - have a budget invest in 4/5 of real quality, right profile and compromise on value deals frees/loans on others.

The reality is as a club we have to pick one of those options this summer. The theory of taking on young players, high resale is fine in theory - we would all like that, we know that the right thing to do- but the question is how do you do it to bring in 10 players with finite resources. (Open question and general comment mate not purposefully directed at you).

The answer in my opinion is compromises will need to be made.

 

[Zatara]

I think this is the thing mate.

Sure we all know theory, buy young players, high resale value etc, truth being for a player to cut muster at 5hat profile, you’re looking at 15 -30 million. And 15 is kind because you are at a fixer upper, like like or Alcaraz down on their looks.

Cones it Ely bringing in 10 is 150 million. But it’s really more you aren’t getting a striker for South of 30 mill. So you have three options.

1 Spend the money, we don’t have the PSR headroom nor the ability to not make a loss as a business to do that.

2. Generate funds - sell Branthwaite really.

3. Comprise - have a budget invest in 4/5 of real quality, right profile and compromise on value deals frees/loans on others.

The reality is as a club we have to pick o e of those options this summer. The theory of taking on young players, high resale is fine in theory - we would all like that, we know that the right thing to do- but the question is how do you do it to bring in 10 players with finite resources

The answer in m6 opinion is compromises will need to be made.

I'd do the 4 loans, after all we dont 'need' a huge number of starters.

Then i'd probably go for Tagliafico & Walker on frees. Simply because we already have Mykolenko & O'Brien so we wont be losing anything from this season.

Thats 6 players signed for 0 transfer fees.

Then of course I'd be looking at the obvious 3 positions at CM, RW & CF.

Anything over, i'd be trying for a young CB.


However, there are of course exceptions to this. Such as if a top notch u23 full back became available for an attainable fee.

I wonder who Moyes was watching in the US in the Benfica game. Carreras for Benfica is class and was going to Madrid but they wont pay the £35mil fee.

Who knows?

 

[Vintage]

Footy insider are treated with the same reverence as the mesopotamian tablets.

Never heard of them. Are they better than Nurofen?

 

[Hinchcliffe's Corner]

The forums conscience will hound you now mate .

It has one???

 

[Makis]

Utilise young players , perhaps?
It is notable that our new CEO mentioned Moyes remarking firstly that the academy needed strengthening.
It is a difficult situation but if we go buying players without due care and attention purely to fill spaces we risk hobbling ourselves developing the team across future windows .
It is a difficult balancing act for those responsible for our future strategy.

There seems to be exactly one young player who is anywhere near that level. Rest are just wishful thinking at this stage.

 

[brieverton]

I am slightly sceptical that we will be bringing in 8- 10 players during this window.
Regardless of the financial implications ( and no one outside the club knows for certain what we have to spend ) the logistics of bringing in this many players ( negotiations, agents etc , etc ) are daunting.
I also doubt any coach would want to face the prospect of blending so many players into the group, given that all coaches prefer a smaller tight nit group as opposed to a sprawling organisation that becomes a breeding ground for dissatisfaction and discontent.
This is all accentuated by the fact our new administrative structure will need time to settle in.
My guess would be 3 or 4 players with the emphasis on suitability, need and quality.
Not a massive Forest like splurge of bulk purchases.

I agree to an extent but I don't think logistics are a factor even with a new transfer committee.

My view is that Moyes will want to limit the amount of new players and not want to dilute the quality too much from the available budget. He has already said that this is a job that cannot be done in one window, and in that he is correct.

I don't think we'll get 10 players but I still think they have to make a push for 8. If you include a backup GK and loans in that then it really isn't a big number whilst being necessary.

It seems sensible to me to strike a balance in getting in say, 4-5 players in regular trading and for the longer term, and 3-4 loans that can tide us over and provide options and depth. It's a valid argument that loans are only a temporary solution and present the same issues a year down the line but I don't see how that can be avoided in our case.

 

[Thomasc]

Walker has a year left on his city contract so is more likely to be one of our 4 loans.

 

[blue to the bone]

It has one???

There's one definitely who thinks they are anyway !

 

[Zatara]

Walker has a year left on his city contract so is more likely to be one of our 4 loans.

They would probably allow him to go for free.

 

[Neiler]

I'd do the 4 loans, after all we dont 'need' a huge number of starters.

Then i'd probably go for Tagliafico & Walker on frees. Simply because we already have Mykolenko & O'Brien so we wont be losing anything from this season.

Thats 6 players signed for 0 transfer fees.

Then of course I'd be looking at the obvious 3 positions at CM, RW & CF.

Anything over, i'd be trying for a young CB.


However, there are of course exceptions to this. Such as if a top notch u23 full back became available for an attainable fee.

I wonder who Moyes was watching in the US in the Benfica game. Carreras for Benfica is class and was going to Madrid but they wont pay the £35mil fee.

Who knows?

I think that conundrum mate. It’s likely 50% of what we do this window is likely to be a compromise - a Walker or a Lindstrum, maybe even a Harrison for 5 mill subjectively.

The other 50% should target progress and adding real quality to the team for the long term.

I agree with what Brie posted in his excellent post above I think we will see about 8. But we should expect compromises to be made to enable the quality we need to bring in. Either that or we are selling a Branthwaite and even then!

 

[Simon Buttle]

I'd do the 4 loans, after all we dont 'need' a huge number of starters.

Then i'd probably go for Tagliafico & Walker on frees. Simply because we already have Mykolenko & O'Brien so we wont be losing anything from this season.

Thats 6 players signed for 0 transfer fees.

Then of course I'd be looking at the obvious 3 positions at CM, RW & CF.

Anything over, i'd be trying for a young CB.


However, there are of course exceptions to this. Such as if a top notch u23 full back became available for an attainable fee.

I wonder who Moyes was watching in the US in the Benfica game. Carreras for Benfica is class and was going to Madrid but they wont pay the £35mil fee.

Who knows?

Probably Luis or Pavlidis, I would think Pavlidis might be out of our range though. Who knows.