Anyone read Duncs book yet?

Totally agree, one of the issues he had at ICT was a few fans shouted abuse at him. He even states it in his book it was about 5 of them, but that was enough for him to change his behaviour.

Just imagine if he had been full time manager here! The abuse will come, whether they like you as a person or not. Dunc doesn't have the thick skin required to do the job. As you say a ambassador role is what he needs and that way the relationship won't be spoiled.
Pretty sure he's referring to one of my mates there, who gave it to him a bit after a couple of games. I'll let him know he's now immortalised in print!
 

He was more of a legend than Ferguson.

Wrung every last bit of sweat out of himself and destroyed his body for this club. And that lad could play a bit too as well as destroy.

Ferguson is the anti-Parkinson to me: a player who never put himself on the line for Everton but has never been off the club's teat ever since looking for a pay day....this latest venture included.

The "we only had Dunc for a hero" line from that generation is a fallacy.

That is your opinion and I am not arguing against that. I am more commenting on the condescending manner in which you are telling people they were 100% wrong to idolise Ferguson as a kid and say this.

People and especially kids sometimes don't follow logic, especially when emotion comes into play. I have said that I loved some of the other players, although they were few and far between. As a Kid I probably adored bang average to awful players as well, just because they played for Everton.

As I said, there is context to the Ferguson worship, he had something about him. Somebody mentioned the mystery because he didn't do public speaking at all. That is definitely part of it, for me, there was something about him away from playing football. In terms of football I remember those times when he truly turned it on, he was unplayable.

Sentimentality and emotions come into play a lot of the time when it comes to kids following football. I am sure the adults saw things different but a kid only goes by emotion.

I was chatting to my wife about this topic and how it made me sad, more so with regards to the ground being used by the women's team and everybody straight away going to PSR and how great it will be for the finances, and Richarlison potentially coming back and the default message was about finances. Where did the emotion go from football? Ferguson evoked passion for our generation, in a period of average to awful football you should easily be able to understand how the blinkers might go on for a player that does that, if football did (does) the same for you.
 
He was more of a legend than Ferguson.

Wrung every last bit of sweat out of himself and destroyed his body for this club. And that lad could play a bit too as well as destroy.

Ferguson is the anti-Parkinson to me: a player who never put himself on the line for Everton but has never been off the club's teat ever since looking for a pay day....this latest venture included.

The "we only had Dunc for a hero" line from that generation is a fallacy.
I rated a lot of players from that era, kanchelskis, amo, even rhino

But Dunc has charisma and mysticism about him, he was also a player that every club hated playing against and he scored some iconic goals

He was a good looking, tall centre forward who scored goals, probably got loads of women as well and a teenage me in the 90s wanted to be him...tad different to anders limpar
 
That is your opinion and I am not arguing against that. I am more commenting on the condescending manner in which you are telling people they were 100% wrong to idolise Ferguson as a kid and say this.

People and especially kids sometimes don't follow logic, especially when emotion comes into play. I have said that I loved some of the other players, although they were few and far between. As a Kid I probably adored bang average to awful players as well, just because they played for Everton.

As I said, there is context to the Ferguson worship, he had something about him. Somebody mentioned the mystery because he didn't do public speaking at all. That is definitely part of it, for me, there was something about him away from playing football. In terms of football I remember those times when he truly turned it on, he was unplayable.

Sentimentality and emotions come into play a lot of the time when it comes to kids following football. I am sure the adults saw things different but a kid only goes by emotion.

I was chatting to my wife about this topic and how it made me sad, more so with regards to the ground being used by the women's team and everybody straight away going to PSR and how great it will be for the finances, and Richarlison potentially coming back and the default message was about finances. Where did the emotion go from football? Ferguson evoked passion for our generation, in a period of average to awful football you should easily be able to understand how the blinkers might go on for a player that does that, if football did (does) the same for you.
I'm really not saying that, and I apologise if it comes across that way.

My point is that there were plenty of heroes for that early to mid-1990s generation to latch onto...a whole trophy-winning team of them in fact.

Nearly all of them never spent the rest of their lives expecting to be fed by Everton FC either.
 

I rated a lot of players from that era, kanchelskis, amo, even rhino

But Dunc has charisma and mysticism about him, he was also a player that every club hated playing against and he scored some iconic goals

He was a good looking, tall centre forward who scored goals, probably got loads of women as well and a teenage me in the 90s wanted to be him...tad different to anders limpar
Mysticism?

He's about as mysterious as a punch in the face.

'Mysterious'.

Good Lord.
 
I'm really not saying that, and I apologise if it comes across that way.

My point is that there were plenty of heroes for that early to mid-1990s generation to latch onto...a whole trophy-winning team of them in fact.

Nearly all of them never spent the rest of their lives expecting to be fed by Everton FC either.

Did he expect to? How do you know that he expected to? Did you speak to him personally?

Maybe it was that he was offered a job and the next manager decided to keep him on and see what he offered, and then the next one.

From my perspective, I would say that he is a decent enough coach who was liked by the players. I don't think it is a coincidence that Calvert-Lewin improved on areas of the game that Ferguson was known for.

If a manager as highly regarded as Ancelotti says nice things about him, it is hard not to listen and accept it as a good indication that he may not be the man you think he is.
 
Did he expect to? How do you know that he expected to? Did you speak to him personally?

Maybe it was that he was offered a job and the next manager decided to keep him on and see what he offered, and then the next one.

From my perspective, I would say that he is a decent enough coach who was liked by the players. I don't think it is a coincidence that Calvert-Lewin improved on areas of the game that Ferguson was known for.

If a manager as highly regarded as Ancelotti says nice things about him, it is hard not to listen and accept it as a good indication that he may not be the man you think he is.
The club needed to use a blow torch to get the Bannockburn Barnacle off the hull of the good ship Everton.

He was on for life.

Now even when he isn't employed by the club he's still getting cash by association.

I fully expect the other leech Moyes to bring him back into the fold for a new 'post'...get him on the payroll like Wor Kenny, Wee Charlie and his own arl feller.

They're like 💩 on a blanket this lot.
 
Mysticism?

He's about as mysterious as a punch in the face.

'Mysterious'.

Good Lord.
He didn't speak to the press at all in the early days, or give interviews, I remember he did one to Everton TV on video which was a shock

Tbh it's odd you are denying his rights to be a hero, I wouldn't think of doing the same for anyone who grew up with Cahill or Coleman for example as a hero
 

He didn't speak to the press at all in the early days, or give interviews, I remember he did one to Everton TV on video which was a shock

Tbh it's odd you are denying his rights to be a hero, I wouldn't think of doing the same for anyone who grew up with Cahill or Coleman for example as a hero

McNulty of the Echo used to call him The Tartan Trappist.

About the only amusing thing that rat ever wrote, btw.
 
About half way through, not sure what to make of it, did Evertonians need to know about him and Wayne Rooney drinking champagne regarding his move to Man United?
 
Why is Ferguson excluded from being part of the cup winning season. He played in the 3rd round v derby. He played and scored in the 5th round against Norwich. He destroyed newcastle in the quarters. He contributed to that cup.
He's not.

The point is that describing him as the only hero to be had is clearly nonsense.

I mean you cant sometimes say why you have a hero (Mick Lyons won f.a. but he was a local who we all looked up to) but there was a whole team of them to choose from. It wasn't like we were trophy less in Ferguson's time here.
 
The club needed to use a blow torch to get the Bannockburn Barnacle off the hull of the good ship Everton.

He was on for life.

Now even when he isn't employed by the club he's still getting cash by association.

I fully expect the other leech Moyes to bring him back into the fold for a new 'post'...get him on the payroll like Wor Kenny, Wee Charlie and his own arl feller.

They're like 💩 on a blanket this lot.

Brilliant. That brought me a much needed laugh :D
 

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