Anyone read Duncs book yet?

[davek]

So Amokachi scoring in the semi was ‘decisive’, but Ferguson scoring against the RS when we were bottom of the league wasn’t?

You’d have to be daft as a brush to make such a silly argument.

Was that in the cup run? No. So how could be 'decisive'?

 

[davek]

"My hero was Big Dunc growing up. People might wonder why, but we had no other heroes back then to choose from..."

 

[Bishop Thumpety-Thump]

Was that in the cup run? No. So how could be 'decisive'?

Do you think we would have won the FA Cup if we hadn’t improved our league form?

 

[davek]

Do you think we would have won the FA Cup if we hadn’t improved our league form?

Yes.

You'll be asking next if a bird hadn't have flapped its wings in south east asia at the time could we have won a trophy by winning a game in another competition.

 

[Bishop Thumpety-Thump]

Yes.

You'll be asking next if a bird hadn't have flapped its wings in south east asia at the time could we have won a trophy by winning a game in another competition.

I see, just like Wigan. We’d have won the cup, then got relegated.

Daft as a brush.

 

[Bishop Thumpety-Thump]

Not read it yet but just reading the posts here, since when did Everton fans start trying to be edgy?? All these shouts saying Big Dunc is overrated, not a legend etc. Jesus Christ the man helped us win our last trophy, Moyes literally said the other week Big Dunc's goal against United got us Champions League football. Credit where credits due to the guy, not without playing issues and definitely less successful in his second spell at Everton (not his fault he had an ongoing hernia problem) but still.

To be fair mate it’s only one weird contrarian being edgy in order to get attention. He does it across ALL threads. Whatever the popular contention is, he takes the opposing position.

 

[DuncanPatterson]

Whilst pointing the way forward

 

[wandyr79]

...apart from an FA Cup win from a team full of winners of...erm...an FA Cup...but you and others picked out a bit part player to that cup run who made a second haf sub appearance in the final to hero-worship....if only there'd have been other heroes about that day who'd started the game and even scored in it...or who had scored decisive goals to get us to the final along the way....


....what an oportunty missed.

No more heroes anymore...

I am actually getting sick of this rhetoric.

You know that there is context applied here. You cannot tell me as a teenager that I could not have possibly had Ferguson as a hero. You don't know me or anybody else that are saying things like 'There was nobody else'.

As a kid you latch onto something. Sometimes it is for stats reasons, i.e. Lukaku will be a 'hero' for kids at the time, but is much derided by some people who 'study' all round play. Ferguson was a bit of an enigma, on his day he was one of the most unplayable footballers about. He was my hero and I still have fond memories of him being my hero, I think as a kid there are levels to hero worship. Rideout is somebody who I have very fond memories, mainly because of that goal. Kanchelskis was a very brief, but raging, fire and if he stayed longer then hero worship would have definitely been the case. On a side note, my parents hated that I wanted Kanchelskis on the back of my shirt and the next year Ferguson, as it was pay by letter back then. I still personally see Parkinson as a beacon of light in that era and if it wasn't for the injury he could have become a proper legend at Everton.

Ferguson had his flaws, and some of them very big flaws. His career is an opportunity missed, if there was a more stable personality behind the player we could have seen records broken.

 

[DuncanPatterson]

"My hero was Big Dunc growing up. People might wonder why, but we had no other heroes back then to choose from..."

I'm not sure Big Dunc should be anyone's hero, nor did he ever really look to be anyone's hero

The British do love a character though, and he's certainly that

I agree that the violence was an issue, and I suspect he'd look back and say the same

I've seen him say he regretted not playing for Scotland more, which was all part of the same attitude problem

You probably have to look at someone with such problems and consider that they probably had a bad/potentially violent upbringing

Maybe need to read the book to find out

 

[Benicetoourboys]

Duncan WAS a hero here to most supporters who saw him play, honestly, you had to see him maybe to appreciate it.

 

[TyphooToffee]

Think he might have had some help from Henry Winter.

Yes, he said so in his interview, when he talked about the book.

 

[Benicetoourboys]

Duncan WAS a hero here to most supporters who saw him play, honestly, you had to see him maybe to appreciate it.

I also met him very briefly & he was lovely.

 

[DuncanPatterson]

Duncan WAS a hero here to most supporters who saw him play, honestly, you had to see him maybe to appreciate it.

I'm Scottish and feel I understand where Duncan came from and perhaps why he was who he was (as I say, I probably need to read the book)

I don't really do heroes, but he obviously had an effect on me as a young lad (and I assume on many other Scottish Everton fans), as you can see from my profile picture

 

[davek]

I still personally see Parkinson as a beacon of light in that era and if it wasn't for the injury he could have become a proper legend at Everton.

He was more of a legend than Ferguson.

Wrung every last bit of sweat out of himself and destroyed his body for this club. And that lad could play a bit too as well as destroy.

Ferguson is the anti-Parkinson to me: a player who never put himself on the line for Everton but has never been off the club's teat ever since looking for a pay day....this latest venture included.

The "we only had Dunc for a hero" line from that generation is a fallacy.

 

[ICTChris]

Hi there.

I used to travel to Inverness quite frequently in the days of the Telford Road (I think) ground and even the days before the two clubs merged.

The co-op opposite used to be good for beer. I remember your new stadium being built and have been several times. Lovely place and people.

Clearly and obviously you have a different experience of Duncan Ferguson and that’s fair enough.

Only one club for me, Everton, but I do have a soft spot for ICTFC as my nan absolutely loved you.

Glad to hear it mate. If you fancy going down memory lane, there's a Caley Nostalgia site that a mate of mine put together quite a few years ago - http://www.caledonianfc.co.uk/telford.htm

I would say that Everton are my English team (not going to say I'm a fan) and I was actually really excited for having DF as manager but as you say the experienced differed significantly!