Bilyaletdinov requests move, in talks with Dynamo Moscow

[whiteshadow]

Does he say winger or wide player in the first quote? He says he needs a better wide play. Also I said Coleman is more of a winger yes. Although we don't use wingers, seriously do you watch the games or just search the net for quotes that back up people using convienent labels?

Just put it like this, basically you're saying when Osman was on the right and Pienaar was on the left we played with wingers? Please make more use of your eyes and maybe have a crack at playing and understanding soccerball

I've played football for years, not that that validates my opinion any more than yours or vice versa.

Would you say Drenthe, Arteta, Barkley, Donovan, Coleman, McFadden (when used on the wing) weren't used as wingers?

Osman doesn't have the pace to get to the byline so he has to cut inside plus he prefers shooting, so yeah you could argue he plays more as an attacking midfielder who cuts inside but to say we don't use wingers isn't true.

Rodwell and Pienaar weren't employed as conventional wingers either.

Moyes plays wingers\attacking midfielders depending on who we're playing and what players he has available.

The way you imply we never play with wingers is wrong.

 

[bluejock]

He looks like he's battling clinical depression

 

[Saliba]

Wilkshire is bog average. Why is he getting a mention?

You're kidding yourself mate; take a look a Hibbert and Neville before you call anyone bog average. Wilkshire is so much more of a complete player than Hibbert is, not to mention he knows how to cross the ball, he has the same style of play as Baines imo, solid defender who wants to make the overlapping run to get the cross in. Neville is just old and running out of legs.

 

[EvertonBoy8]

He played for the mighty Bristol City!!!!

Come on now, hes badly gash isnt he? Just admit it.

Cant say ive ever heard of him really.

You haven't lived until you've heard of Wilkshire. You have now officially lived.

 

[Neiler]

I'm totally fed up with this Bily in the middle rubbish! Just making excuses!

He has the ball taken off him out wide and seems to struggle with the fast pace of the game, so would that be far worse in the middle? If he can't get space out wide where is he gonna get it? Is he a fast moving quick passer like David Silva? Does he work hard and get stuck in like Cahill? Yeah didn't think so.

Plus, we don't really play wingers, why are people saying he gets played as a winger? They're attacking midfielders who play mostly on the inside or are you some just ignorant to how we play football? His best assets are crossing and shooting, two things that can be utilised properly on each side of midfield can't they? He scored against UTD coming in from the right onto his left foot same with Pompy, so he's drifting behind the striker already no? What else would he offer behind the striker? We use channels to create space for our midfield as we don't use wingers (Coleman being the closest) so again, what makes people think he'd be amazing? Never seen him play a thru ball that worked!

Plus with Saha going into the channels (normally left side due to Coleman being more direct) this opens up space for Cahill to push foward and the midfield. Pienaar used to thrive with this, also with Baines creating a passing angle to come inside. So again, why the hell is it so hard for Bily? Why? Cos' he's not good enough for this league.

Good post that mate!

 

[MoJo]

wilkshere plus 5/6 mil would be a good deal wilkshere is australias best player in imo much better rightback than hibbert and flank cover

Wilkshire isn't EPL quality, mate.

 

[DualityNSNO]

Lads, Hibbert is a great defender... but sadly his qualities pretty much end there. He's a renowned tackler and that's not a "title" you get by getting crosses in, (FFS) is it?!

His game is to tackle and defend and he's good at it. Neville, on the other hand, I understand.

That doesn't mean we shouldn't be looking for a change for the RB position, because even Hibbo is getting fairly old now, and it's a matter of time or (god forbid) a little more serious injury and he's out of the game. But saying he's our worst player is a bit over the top, really.

Carry on with the other discussion that's been going on around here, then.



**Gets flameshield up

 

[EvertonBoy8]

Wilkshire isn't EPL quality, mate.

I lived at Wilkshire, i reckon it's good quality.

 

[Summerskin]

Dunno about you lads but i'd give that Jack Wilshire a go!

 

[EvertonBoy8]

Dunno about you lads but i'd give that Jack Wilshire a go!

Too right, the more Jacks the better I always say.

 

[EvertonBoy8]

If you type in "Everton Wilkshire" in to google news you get over 200 hits, something is deffo happening here.

 

[Get_Jo_On]

I've played football for years, not that that validates my opinion any more than yours or vice versa.

Would you say Drenthe, Arteta, Barkley, Donovan, Coleman, McFadden (when used on the wing) weren't used as wingers?

Osman doesn't have the pace to get to the byline so he has to cut inside plus he prefers shooting, so yeah you could argue he plays more as an attacking midfielder who cuts inside but to say we don't use wingers isn't true.

Rodwell and Pienaar weren't employed as conventional wingers either.

Moyes plays wingers\attacking midfielders depending on who we're playing and what players he has available.

The way you imply we never play with wingers is wrong.

Firstly, I didn’t imply we never play with wingers – “Plus, we don't really play wingers, why are people saying he gets played as a winger?”

I’m sorry but I never stated we NEVER play with wingers, we don’t play with conventional wingers and to be honest in the last few seasons we’ve not. I mean like I said Coleman is more like a winger so yeah we can call him one if you want? The point is we hadn’t really used them apart from Coleman’s inconsistant performance as one and Donovan on loan.

You mention Barkley was used as a winger? Was he my arse! The lad spent more time on the inside than Charles Manson!!

Drenthe? I don’t really agree either, he likes to drift in the hole looking for the ball, I’m not saying he isn’t a winger just that he’s not used like one especially on the right.

Donovan is the only one who hugged the touch line and consistantly go in behind the FB and into the corners.

The point I was making is Bily has never been used as a winger so why do people insist he has been? Are you making that point? I don’t understand when you drag up old quotes and tell me Ross Barkley plays as a winger?

Basically wingers are very rare now anyway, wide players work differently as full backs are used differently. I mean people think Barcelona use wingers but if you break it down you realise they don't, if anything their fullbacks are more wingers than their wide men who work to create space for the overlap and drift into the box more like inside forwards.

 

[Arteta10]

To everyone slating Hibbo's crossing, take a look at Vellios' goal against Wigan, quality ball in by Tony

OK, so hes never going to be the most technically gifted player, but i do honestly believe he has worked on and improved his crossing in the last few years

He used to get slaughtered for consistently fcuking up crosses a few years ago so i dont know whether the abuse is just a hangover from that but i really think hes moved on from there

 

[daz4matty]

To everyone slating Hibbo's crossing, take a look at Vellios' goal against Wigan, quality ball in by Tony

OK, so hes never going to be the most technically gifted player, but i do honestly believe he has worked on and improved his crossing in the last few years

He used to get slaughtered for consistently fcuking up crosses a few years ago so i dont know whether the abuse is just a hangover from that but i really think hes moved on from there

He is deffo crossing better but his positioning sense is getting worse.
Just a note on bily it will be best all round if he goes

 

[bluejock]

Are we suggesting playing Bily right back now?

*reaches for bleach