People are just waking up that much of Europe is pretty backwards when it comes to free speech and what you are allowed to exercise. Not to mention, once you say criticize the holocaust figures in many of these countries, you're getting chucked in prison. When Americans say we have the most "free country ", there is total substance and irrefutable evidence behind it and not bunch of patriotic delusions.
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The daft thing is that they have given the protesters far more publicity than if they had left them alone to peacefully protest.
That's EXACTLY what people think about when they think of America.
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Please elaborate further on this.
Blimey! We must do something!
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Legality of Holocaust denial - Wikipedia
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Quick! To the ramparts!
And we were all having such a good time as well
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Legality of Holocaust denial - Wikipedia
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If you can't see the danger of allowing people to question the provable historical veracity of the industrial murder of 6 million people, the roots of which were already rooted in conspiracy theory, in the nation where it was perpetrated then I will exercise my right of free speech to call you an idiot.
You would, of course, never question the factual basis of the Shoah though, would you?
It's not dangerous one bit to engage in a dialogue to discuss the validity of some of the figures, as many facts can become distorted. If somebody doesn't believe in the true figures of the Shoah, that doesn't make them a criminal.
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Just for my feeble mind. What would those true figures be? And why would you want to discuss the validity of historically verifiable figures?
It's the context and the purpose of the dialogue.
It's perfectly reasonable to argue it is dangerous to question holocaust figures and cast doubt on them. Because it begins to diminish the act itself and focus the conversation towards numbers rather than individuals.
And once you've begun to question the figures, you begin to question the acts and then the motive and then the reality of it at all - it's a well established path for those wishing to 'debate' to suit denial. Denial in this context is very dangerous.
It's a balance between limiting the denial and not criminalising dissenting voices. Personally, I don't agree with legislation as a means to curtail rights without very good justification, but I can see why some countries have taken the approach.
Just realised I'm in the King Charles thread writing this...how and why has the discussion got here lol
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More tea Vicar?
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